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Quincy & Torch Lake Hopper Kit - Done

I picked up a pair of old Hartford Products wooden hopper kits from Mike Oates a few years ago. They are quite similar to the ore hoppers that the East Broad Top purchased and used around the turn of the century, so I figured they would make a useful addition to my 1910 freight.

The main difference is the actual hoppers - EBT’s cars had a flat floor and a pair of drop-down doors, whereas the Q&T cars had slope hoppers with doors on one side. Nothing that can’t be fixed, I thought.

Well, the first car is done and ready for paint.

This is my first Hartford kit, and I didn’t realize how detailed and complex they are. Bob supplied all the wood, cut to size, and a myriad of castings and other parts to make an exact scale model. Pages of plans and instructions were a big help.

One big issue was that there are lots of similar-sized pieces of wood. The instructions list them, but telling the difference between a 0.236"x0.194"x2.360" and a 0.236"x0.236" x2.360" is tricky. (After I had almost finished, I bought a digital caliper! Should be useful for the second car.) I only made one mistake, using the wrong piece at the ends and having to make the interior 0.020" narrower. As I was re-working the pieces it wasn’t a big deal. I wonder if it will be noticeable on the second car when it is correct and they are side-by-side.

The frame is all cut and mortised - you just glue the bits together and try not to get glue all over the visible parts. The sides are similarly accurately sized.

I modified the sides to match the EBT hoppers, which also meant mounting the door winders higher on the sides and fabricating plates on the opposite side from the wheels. I made larger doors out of the hopper slopes and fixed them with glue - didn’t think my chain was going to hold them in position, as the ratchet and pawl are fake.

The kit includes all the bits you need, including nbws - shown here being installed on the queen posts.

I found superglue-gel to be the best stuff for fastening metal to the wood. Some bits were soldered - I’ve been practicing my skills on white metal parts, which can melt completely if you aren’t careful. I have a very small soldering iron, (brought from England in 1974 and which is still working via a 220V transformer intended for a shaver.) It doesn’t have much total heat, so the brake gear wasn’t too tricky. The EBT resisted air brakes for many years, so my 1910 cars tend not to have any. Makes life easier if you can leave off the brake cylinder and pipes.

The trucks are supplied complete and ready to run. Due to the age of the kit, they are already showing rust on the wheels! I haven’t started painting yet as I plan to do the second one and paint both at once. Couplers are Accucraft 1/32nd, which are correct for the EBT 3/4 size couplers.

Hopefully, the second one won’t take as long!

Nice job. A well detailed kit.

Pete
Realy nice write up. Pics look great!
Hope you post pics when all painted!

Nice looking kit. Love the details.

I built a couple of his disconnects. For something that simple there were sure a lot of little nuts and bolts on them things so I sorta, kinda know what ya went through. Nice looking car.

I have a half dozen of these cars in ‘almost finished’ state. Youve done a great job on yours. I should finish up mine…

Great looking model. Thats a very detailed kit.

Pete, a beautiful car…

Looks good

Are they the Accucraft draft boxes for the couplers?

Sweet!

Nice build

Thanks for the kind words. Now I have to summon up the time and energy to do #2.

David Russell said:

Looks good

Are they the Accucraft draft boxes for the couplers?

The 1/32nd couplers come in draft boxes - pretty much identical to Kadee and Bachmann, I believe. For some obscure reason Accucraft doesn’t sell a 1/20th coupler in a similar draft box.

Nice job Pete. I love the old wooden hoppers. I have a string of the older Delton/Aristo 1:24 models that are pretty close except for the bracing. Kevin Strong worked out a mod to fix that. It’s on my someday list; but I’ll probably just update the couplers and run them as-is.

Hartford made some great looking kits.

Nothing quite like diggin up an old thread. I found this on a random google search for wood ore gondolas.

I have been thinking about a winter project to make shorty ore cars for the indoor and for the outdoor inglenook puzzle. Bob C in another thread recommended the Railway Cyclopedia (or whatever it is called) and I came across a 22ft wood ore car much like this one and said “yep” thats it. I was very happy to run across this thread to show all the various angles.

that looks mighty fine!

are you going to weather it?

Korm Kormsen said:

that looks mighty fine!

are you going to weather it?

Well, it got covered in “coal dust” since that 2014 thread. Here it is next to a Delton (Aristo Classic) hopper.

Since then I finished a second Hartford Q&T hopper. This is the current EBT coal train from 1910.

At the back is the wooden hopper I made from balsa and scale lumber (cut on my mini table saw.) The two Bachmann hoppers in old-style lettering represent the original batch of Pressed Steel hoppers which arrived about that time, but they are too short in length. Then there’s the two Hartford Q&T modified hoppers and the Delton. The caboose is a model of #26 (theoretical) which became a work caboose with no cupola. It’s a G.A.L. styrene ‘kit’ mounted on a flat car, as was the original. I added the cupola.

Of course, the timeline is a bit screwed up (but it’s my railroad so I’ll adjust the clock if necessary.) The wooden hopper with high sides didn’t get the sides and the steel lining for many more years - in fact it looked a lot more like the outside-framed hoppers at that time. And the loco, EBT #7 “Aughwick” had been sold by 1910 (Accucraft C-19 heavily modified with period details.)

To my eye the Hartford look better than the Delton. I have nothing to go on but my own preference, but it just looks mo’ betta’.