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Question about a Trailing Truck for a small Pacific bash (4-6-2)

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#1

Hello, I just purchased a Bachmann 10 wheeler from e Bay in hopes of adding a trailing truck, moving the cab back and trying to come up with a simple bash that would look somewhat like Little River RR’s #110. Apparently this is the smallest Pacific type locomotive built by Baldwin. Here are the prototype pictures:

I have used the search function here for several days and could find no leads on how to attach a trailing truck to a B.mann ten wheeler (4-6-0) to turn it in to a 4-6-2. Has anyone done this??? If so let me know your thoughts. My “bashed” #11o need not be an exact replica of the prototype but I would like it to generally appear to have the same appearance. My model RR buddies already kid me for modeling a standard gauge prototype RR in 1:20.3 narrow gauge. So I just want to get in the ball park with this bash and use readily available parts. Thanks in advance for any and all help. Tom

#2

Hmm. I’d do something simple, like the way a lot of tinplate stuff is attached. A single axle on a brass arm/framework. here’s an idea

(http://estore.bachmanntrains.com/images/n_parts/9779.jpg)

Something like that, but with a simple arm instead of the triangular bit. Do away with the journals by having the bar wrap around the axle, or use some tubing.

#3

If you could find another ten-wheeler to donate its front truck, you could hack that, or find the lead axle framework for any of the small consols… the Aristo/Delton C-16, I don’t know if the Bman Connie would work?

#4

Or, use the trailing truck from a Lionel Atlantic… or Aristo Mikado or Pacific…

#5

You’re gonna hafta do some minor carving. Luckily, IIRC the space behind the last driver on all bug maulers is mostly nothing real critical (Some have a small weight, and the little sound switch/tender connection board is there). Some easy peasy solutions for the truck are: An LGB Mogul pony truck with the details sanded off and flipped upside down has the dual benefits of being strong and reasonably cheap… http://www.ebay.com/itm/LGB-PARTS-Ersatzteile-Front-Wheel-Set-No-20180-/150850148806?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item231f5e99c6 http://www.ebay.com/itm/LGB-2018-MOGUL-STEAM-LOCO-LEAD-TRUCK-W-RED-CENTER-WHEELS-NEW-/300739216016?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item4605744290 The trailing truck from the 2-10-2 Harz (if you can get one) would be really good, too. It has an attach point on one end and a coupler on the other, PLUS spoked wheels. I used one of these on my 2-4-4-2

(http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/PA020003.JPG)

#6

Thank you so much for so many good ideas. The great advice is helping me formulate a plan on how to this project.

As I get in to it I will try and post pictures.Thanks again for all the help.

Tom

#7

Tom,
link to my Pacific bash from a few years ago. A Pacific config really enhances the look of the 'ten-wheeler. Alas, I have no construction photographs.

                               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtpkCCUcQD0&feature=plcp
#8
Tim Brien said:
Tom, link to my Pacific bash from a few years ago. A Pacific config really enhances the look of the 'ten-wheeler. Alas, I have no construction photographs. 
                               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtpkCCUcQD0&feature=plcp</blockquote>

Tim,

That is exactly the look I am after. Do you recall what you used for the trailing truck?? Did you move the cab back further?

Thanks for your ideas and the very good video.

Tom

#9

Tom,
if you look at the boiler you can see that the boiler has been extended several inches. This also involves lengthening the chassis. Basically, I cut the cylindrical section containing the steam dome from a spare body and grafted in just forward of the cabin. The ‘aft’ steam dome was cutdown to resemble a rear sand dome. The trailing truck is something I cobbled together from pieces (most likely a LGB spare). I did a similar conversion making a start on a Hudson, 4-6-4 and used a LGB freight rolling stock truck as a trailing truck. Alas, I burned out with doing conversions and halted further work on the loco. Would have made a fine loco as well. The Pacific is my favourite conversion and I have done several dozen all up.

   I doubt that you can add a trailing truck without some increase in body/chassis length.  It is not a simple cut and fit operation (but really worth the effort).
#10

Thanks Tim. Yes I had planned on lengthening the frame and boiler some to put the trailing truck on and build up a 4-6-2.

I am heartened that you have been able to pull this off.I really enjoyed seeing your model on the very nice video. Your layout looked really good too.

Thanks for giving me some good ideas on where to start.

Tom

#11

Hey Doc,

Great model idea and it is coming along great. The pictures you showed of the model and prototype have the forward side cab window clear, but I was thinking there was a painting of a woman on the panel of where that glass is. Am I wrong? Do I have the wrong railroad? Did the Tweetsie have a painted panel there?

#12
Ric Golding said:
Hey Doc,

Great model idea and it is coming along great. The pictures you showed of the model and prototype have the forward side cab window clear, but I was thinking there was a painting of a woman on the panel of where that glass is. Am I wrong? Do I have the wrong railroad? Did the Tweetsie have a painted panel there?


Ric, is Docs 2nd photo the one you’re thinking of ?

#13

Ric Golding said:
Hey Doc, Great model idea and it is coming along great. The pictures you showed of the model and prototype have the forward side cab window clear, but I was thinking there was a painting of a woman on the panel of where that glass is. Am I wrong? Do I have the wrong railroad? Did the Tweetsie have a painted panel there?

Wow Ric you are observant. In this photo there does appear to be a woman’s picture behind the forward window glass.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/LRRR110.gif)

The builder’s photo does not have it.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/110onTurntable300.jpg)

Of course when #110 was rescued and taken up North for restoration there was No Glass or Picture at all.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/Picture059.jpg)

What an interesting mystery. I suspect this may be a picture of Col. W.B. Townsend’s wife. Col Townsend built the Little River RR and his wif was active in civic affairs in the namesake community Townsend Tennessee. Here is where I am at in placing the trailing truck on my model of #110.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/DSC05913.jpg)

Tom

#14

Here is an attempt at a blow up of the mystery woman in the window of a steam locomotive. Again Ric you are very observant. I had never seen this before.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/0415Loco110Town810.jpg)

Tom

#15
Tom Grabenstein said:
...My model RR buddies already kid me for modeling a standard gauge prototype RR in 1:20.3 narrow gauge. ....
Not that I worry much about the gauge, obviously, but FWIW, Tom, my own Littleton and Smallville RR is built around the conceit that pretty well ALL the roads in the Northeast settled on a gauge of 3'6" (or thereabouts) from the beginning, and that has become "standard gauge" for all connecting lines in the area.

So you’ll get no kidding from me!

The L&S is loosely based on the notion of a general carrier running from some NE harbour like Portsmouth NH, across the mountains, so thru mining, farming, lumbering and resort districts & small towns to terminate at a fairly substantial inland industrial center somewhat like Syracuse or Buffalo - I am familiar with the entire area, visit it often and like it a great deal.

#16

Tom Grabenstein said:
Here is an attempt at a blow up of the mystery woman in the window of a steam locomotive. Again Ric you are very observant. I had never seen this before.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/0415Loco110Town810.jpg)

Tom

Ric has pretty good eyes for an old coot. I still can’t see a woman :slight_smile:

#17

Tom Grabenstein said:
Here is an attempt at a blow up of the mystery woman in the window of a steam locomotive. Again Ric you are very observant. I had never seen this before.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/0415Loco110Town810.jpg)

Tom

Hey Doc, It’s referenced somewhere and I think it is a picture of Col. Townsend’s wife. I always thought it was unique and a interesting change from all glass.

#18
John Le Forestier said:
Tom Grabenstein said:
...My model RR buddies already kid me for modeling a standard gauge prototype RR in 1:20.3 narrow gauge. ....
Not that I worry much about the gauge, obviously, but FWIW, Tom, my own Littleton and Smallville RR is built around the conceit that pretty well ALL the roads in the Northeast settled on a gauge of 3'6" (or thereabouts) from the beginning, and that has become "standard gauge" for all connecting lines in the area.

So you’ll get no kidding from me!

The L&S is loosely based on the notion of a general carrier running from some NE harbour like Portsmouth NH, across the mountains, so thru mining, farming, lumbering and resort districts & small towns to terminate at a fairly substantial inland industrial center somewhat like Syracuse or Buffalo - I am familiar with the entire area, visit it often and like it a great deal.


Hi John,

Love the explanation.

My friends from HO modeling have kidded me for creating an “alternative universe” where I am using off the shelf Bachmann equipment to model the Standard Gauge Little River RR. However one of my friends has conceded that the Little River had such tight curves swerving around in the mountains that “it might as well have been narrow gauge.”

Tom

#19

Ric Golding said:

Tom Grabenstein said:
Here is an attempt at a blow up of the mystery woman in the window of a steam locomotive. Again Ric you are very observant. I had never seen this before.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/0415Loco110Town810.jpg)

Tom

Hey Doc, It’s referenced somewhere and I think it is a picture of Col. Townsend’s wife. I always thought it was unique and a interesting change from all glass.

Yes, it is good to give a shout out to our distaff half. I named and lettered the cab of Shay 2147 after my wife Kit.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/ShayCabweathered.jpg)

Here is prototype shot of a suspected engineer’s wife at the throttle of one of the Little River Shays.

(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/LittleRiverShaywithwoman.jpg)

Let’s keep the wives happy…they put up with a lot. Tom