brian donovan said:
Okay, you two need to take it outside!-Brian
What two? This is and has been a most civil conversation and very informative while thought provoking.
Warren,
In the 7/8th’s stuff, where does the rail height/weight and the distance between the ties play in to the picture? I’ve thought of removing every other tie on Aristo or LGB European track and then once again totally burying it in ballast of mud.
Action figures are not dolls…???
Oh, I forgot. Real boys don’t play with play with dolls…only girls and sissies.
Warren Mumpower said:
................Any ways, while HJ gets out his calculator and slide rule…I’m gonna go play with my toy trains…
BTW looks to me like “JJ” tries to prove that LGB is on a super-duper highway to success.
Yep, absolutely! That’s why EPL Patentwerk oHG went into receivership, sheeesh they made bushels of money … just not enough to get out from under the debt load which exceeded the yearly turnover. Other than that … not a problem … super formula for an unqualified success!! All things to all people!
Ric Golding said:brian donovan said:
Okay, you two need to take it outside!-Brian
Brian? Am I one of the two you are referring to?What two? This is and has been a most civil conversation and very informative while thought provoking.
Warren,
In the 7/8th’s stuff, where does the rail height/weight and the distance between the ties play in to the picture? I’ve thought of removing every other tie on Aristo or LGB European track and then once again totally burying it in ballast of mud.
At that scale, you can rip your own ties, spike the rail and make it look like it is steel on wood. The 332 track ties have a wood texture that looks like it’s been routered with a 1" bit!
Hey Jim! Welcome aboard!
If, like the rest of us,
As you can see from previous posts, the scale thing arouses passions among some of us. Personally, I think scales are for fish, or for telling you the truth after you’ve lied to yourself for too long about the merits of various forms of liquid refreshment.
As this is an expensive hobby, look for bargains. That means being patient, checking out the various retailers’ web sites and being prepared to push for a discount if you’re making a big purchase.
As many of the previous posters have indicated, USA and Aristo in 1:29 are fine. USA makes a military series of flat cars, several with WWII-era vehicles on them. Some of the vehicles are battery-powered; my grandsons and I had a great time racing tanks around the house last summer!
Have fun!
Jim, The first post by Warren pretty much reflects my opinions. I have USA F3s, Aristo FAs, SD45s, and Pacifics, LGB Mikado as my prime movers. I thought I might show some pictures with pairs of locos together to help you form your own opinion. USA F3s and LGB Mikado
USA F3s and Aristo FAs
I thought I had a picture of the Aristo Pacific and LGB Mikado side by side, but can’t find it. I thing they look OK together. JimC.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Warren Mumpower said:
................Any ways, while HJ gets out his calculator and slide rule…I’m gonna go play with my toy trains…
Are you kidding, I’m busy building a 1:22.5 RhB car out of a 1:24 NA NG car (Bachmann kit) and it’s coming right along. Not too many compromises … hell, I couldn’t sleep at night, could I??? :lol: :lol: :lol:BTW looks to me like “JJ” tries to prove that LGB is on a super-duper highway to success.
Yep, absolutely! That’s why EPL Patentwerk oHG went into receivership, sheeesh they made bushels of money … just not enough to get out from under the debt load which exceeded the yearly turnover. Other than that … not a problem … super formula for an unqualified success!! All things to all people!
Pretty worthless. Can’t figure out why Maerklin fought so long and hard to aquire the name and tooling!?!?!
Ric, track is a big variance in 7/8ths…much like everything else. Most in that scale hand lay their track so they space the ties as they desire. Either code 215 or 250 is most commonly used. The prototype has anything from track laid on bare ground with a minimum of ties used and no ballast to track on concrete ties and extremely well ballasted. The railroads I’m attempting to model use the latter. I’m contemplating trying a module using USAT track as it has the fartherest spacing and burying it in the ballast…except around the turnouts. I have yet to find out what size ties they use or their spacing…I have not asked…but do know that they generally use 60# rail. For 2’ gauge it’s quite heavy. But then again they are running 1800t trains with 40t locomotives.
Ric, re: a conversation we had about them using CTC…it’s not CTC as we know it but it’s a GPS system that gives the controller not only location but speed and other locomotive information similar to an aircraft’s black box. The unfortunate part is that shorter trains that don’t have a brake van do not give the controller information on the rest of the train. The accident I mentioned was caused because by the rules the driver’s assistant is suppose to have the rear of the train in sight at all times. Unfortunately the rules don’t take in to consideration fog…which was so bad they could not even see the end of the locomotive they were riding in. The following train couldn’t see any better and hit the lost cars before he even knew they were there.
John Joseph Sauer said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Warren Mumpower said:
................Any ways, while HJ gets out his calculator and slide rule…I’m gonna go play with my toy trains…
Are you kidding, I’m busy building a 1:22.5 RhB car out of a 1:24 NA NG car (Bachmann kit) and it’s coming right along. Not too many compromises … hell, I couldn’t sleep at night, could I??? :lol: :lol: :lol:BTW looks to me like “JJ” tries to prove that LGB is on a super-duper highway to success.
Yep, absolutely! That’s why EPL Patentwerk oHG went into receivership, sheeesh they made bushels of money … just not enough to get out from under the debt load which exceeded the yearly turnover. Other than that … not a problem … super formula for an unqualified success!! All things to all people!
Yeah,Pretty worthless. Can’t figure out why Maerklin fought so long and hard to aquire the name and tooling!?!?!
Remember the slogan from the 1992 campaign? “It’s the economy, stupid!” Märklin wants to be all things to all people and they just about got it: Z scale; N scale; H0 scale, #1 (1:32 scale) and now 2m (1:22.5 scale) along with a whole bunch of other “scales” that are a proper mish-mash.
Never took a rocket scientist to figure out why Märklin was after the EPL goodies “like the devil after a poor soul”. Took a lot less than for some others to figure out that they had “goofed up” in a big way.
Warren,
You said - "I’m contemplating trying a module using USAT track as it has the fartherest spacing and burying it in the ballast…except around the turnouts. I have yet to find out what size ties they use or their spacing…I have not asked…but do know that they generally use 60# rail. For 2’ gauge it’s quite heavy. "
Why don’t you contemplate taking the plastic ties off the rails of Aristo or LGB track and trim every other tie off leaving the plastic spline under the rails. I’ve tried a small section of it and you can make pretty quick work with a band saw, jig saw or knippers. That puts the ties about 2 1/8 inches apart, center to center. It wouldn’t be hand layed, but I think you could get a descent effect.
That affect works for the lighter 2’ gauge railways but it’s way too far apart for the Australian sugar cane roads. They have more of a “mainline” appearance…just smaller.
Ric Golding said:brian donovan said:
Okay, you two need to take it outside!-Brian
Brian? Am I one of the two you are referring to?What two? This is and has been a most civil conversation and very informative while thought provoking.
Warren,
In the 7/8th’s stuff, where does the rail height/weight and the distance between the ties play in to the picture? I’ve thought of removing every other tie on Aristo or LGB European track and then once again totally burying it in ballast of mud.
-Brian
John Bouck said:Please add to that the 1/29th AMS Pennsy K4, in both pre- and post-war configurations. Available for good prices too, at least in the USA - expect to cough up around $900 for this beautiful all-metal and highly-detailed model.
AristoCraft made one "composite" (Wooden sides/steel ends and braced.) And its a reefer. You can still get some at Nicholas Smith Trains. Your troop carriers would be Aristo Heavyweights. Your locomotives would be mostly steam. USA only has the Hudson. Aristo has a Pacific, Mikado and a Mallet. So If you are modeling the War your choices are few. Welcome to LSC! TOG
tac
John Joseph Sauer said:Standard gauge stuff should be 1/32nd scale, as determined by the standards of the Gauge 1 Model Railway association.
So do the math for me- what "scale" trains should run on 45mm track?
Henry Greenley of UK, along with the inventors of G1,G2 and G3, Maerklin, in 1898, ratified in 1908, and then in 1947, went into print with the founding of the G1MRA.
You will find that certain persons have other ideas.
tac
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