Large Scale Central

Put the rummers to rest

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

Why don’t you just come out and tell everyone that you believe the Words from the head Polk, you have mastered the Polk-a Dance, don’t anyone dare make your head hurt by pointing out the…absolutely OBVIOUS.

Just like with the EPL debacle…the position of the blinders becomes extremely obvious withing a few posts.
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You don’t know what I believe in regards to AC’s situation, so don’t be jumping to conclusions.

What I don’t understand is why anyone thinks it matters whether AC is right or you are right or someone else is right. In the end, whatever is going to happen will happen, and all the speculation in the world isn’t going to change that.

Really, if AC had posted a message saying, “Yes, the rumors are true. We’re barely hanging on and will likely be out of business soon”, what difference would it make to anyone? We’d all still have exactly the same options we have now: Either buy up whatever products we can get our hands on, while we can. Or don’t.

If AC does in fact go out of business it would be a tragedy for them and a great blow to the hobby. I just find it disconcerting that there are people who seem to be eagerly waiting for it to happen just so they can have the “thrill” of saying, “See, I told you it was coming!”

thomas prevost said:

One of the problems with Lewis’ business model was that he did not reinvest the principle into new inventory. It is fair to take the profit , but the principle must be reinvested in replenishment stock. During the last few years Lewis paid the help and by his own admission at the 2011 ECLST took a large portion for retirement. This left dwindling monies for stock replenishment. When Scott took over as president(NOT owner) he has been at the mercy of what is left allowing only for orders of $25-30,000. Not the $300-400,000 of the past.

So, is Lewis supposed to base his decisions on what is best for the hobby?
I keep hearing “Socialism is bad” and “Free Market” is good from the majority of the folks in the hobby.
Does this not also apply to the companies that supply the hobby?

It doesn’t matter if Lewis sucked millions out of the company to retire.
He spent years building the company and certainly has the right to reap whatever rewards he can at retirement :wink:
Ralph

Ray - you’ve hit the nail right on the head. It’s just like listening to people argue about politics or religion…just a bunch of hot air. Speaking of which…

Ray Dunakin said:

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

Why don’t you just come out and tell everyone that you believe the Words from the head Polk, you have mastered the Polk-a Dance, don’t anyone dare make your head hurt by pointing out the…absolutely OBVIOUS.

Just like with the EPL debacle…the position of the blinders becomes extremely obvious withing a few posts.
TOC

You don’t know what I believe in regards to AC’s situation, so don’t be jumping to conclusions.

What I don’t understand is why anyone thinks it matters whether AC is right or you are right or someone else is right. In the end, whatever is going to happen will happen, and all the speculation in the world isn’t going to change that.

Really, if AC had posted a message saying, “Yes, the rumors are true. We’re barely hanging on and will likely be out of business soon”, what difference would it make to anyone? We’d all still have exactly the same options we have now: Either buy up whatever products we can get our hands on, while we can. Or don’t.

If AC does in fact go out of business it would be a tragedy for them and a great blow to the hobby. I just find it disconcerting that there are people who seem to be eagerly waiting for it to happen just so they can have the “thrill” of saying, “See, I told you it was coming!”

It doesn’t matter. What does matter is the realization that the written word does not have body language.
It’s not a “thrill”, it’s reality.
We going to get that million dollar investor Scott mentions? Or no investor as Lewis doesn’t think we need one?
The real issue for those who watch is the continuous BS over the years…decades, even…get the faithful to toe the line…to belittle and denigrate any who would dare, even with photographic evidence, suggest oh, plating sloughs off, wheel gauge is not right, flange thickness suddently ballooned out of reality, gee, the socket wiring on my dash 9 seems to not work, why does my AC track gauge not match my AC track nor my AC wheels…

Is this another one of those?
Well, if you get one word from Scott, another from an interview of company officials BY a company employee published on a company website, when you add it all up, one might consider alternatives.

When you look at Scott’s alleged comment about a million dollar investor…and realize just how short a time ago the last big investor dumped bailout into the process…something ain’t right.

How viable can the company be?
I guess we’ll all find out.

I find the different quotes from different Polks to be…amazing, to say the least.
Scott said, what, 2014 before the next new stuff, or was it longer?
Lewis in the famous interview says…“a container of product arriving Mon/Tues next week.”

One thing we have found in the last several months…Scott does not have the “filters” Lewis does.

Obfuscation is the norm at that company…hence the bit about JP Morgan Associates and the million dollar investment.
Has nothing to do with anything, other than to divert attention.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

"I thought this topic was the rumors of AC going out of business. Those other things are separate issues.

And why does anyone care what “story” AC gives about it? Either they’ll stay in business, or they’ll fold, just like any other business. (And I don’t see any hobby manufacturers thriving in this crappy economy.) Why the need for all this mudslinging and speculation? "

It’s all the same, Ray. It’s divide and conquer…deny…obfuscate…rally the faithful…

One thing they are really good at…and if you knew the back stories and how many times it has happened…is pulling a rabbit out of the hat.

Current economy and economics may just prevent that from happening again…but maybe not.

I don’t think anyone has stated something exactly will happen…it’s just based upon facts and contradictory statements, when you compare to the “interview”…

Everyone really needs to clearly try to remember 2006, the parallels are frightening.

My SD-9 and Northern are running really well, no problems noted…

:slight_smile:

John Joseph Sauer said:

Ray - you’ve hit the nail right on the head. It’s just like listening to people argue about politics or religion…just a bunch of hot air. Speaking of which…

I’m sure this will surprise you, many of the threads go off the rails when the fans (aka Ventilators) of any given mfg join in and just can’t accept what is obvious from the statements from the mfg.

There are no entrails or coffee grounds to be read, one doesn’t have to stare at the wall to decipher the writing.

All one needs is pay attention to what is going on. OTOH there are different length for attention spans, just like some memories are a lot shorter than others and … some just don’t get, never mind what.

Then I guess you can say there are two kinds of “ventilators” - Pro and Con. The Pros defend their favorite manufacturers and then the Cons (like yourself) who take the opportunity to edify the masses with your great wealth of knowledge of how every manufacturer should run their business in order to obtain maximum return on their investments…
As Ray stated above - what happens will happen - just get on with it!

The problem JJ is that alot of us clearly remember how much “hot air” was being expended in defense of that German company, Hhow "certain people"were "targeting "n them and all the efforts to stifle discussion because “all is well” and "wait it will be resolved 'next week ', all right up till the big Lakehurst nosedive.

As I said, the parallels are frightening.

Buy Roe watch them go, Buy pulk and as usual you will sulk.

Viva the Revolution is dead…

What A sauer puss. Thankfully the people that really know and own the product are in control.

Vic, the point is that no matter how much hot air is expended the outcome will be the same so what use is it. It’s pretty obvious that it’s an exercise in futility but for some odd reasons most folks thrive on this type of stuff. Absolutely nothing positive coming out of it. It’s sad that some folks take some sort of joy in the demise of manufacturers. I think it is sad when they go away - just an indication of the decline of the hobby industry in general.

John Joseph Sauer said:

Vic, the point is that no matter how much hot air is expended the outcome will be the same so what use is it. It’s pretty obvious that it’s an exercise in futility but for some odd reasons most folks thrive on this type of stuff. Absolutely nothing positive coming out of it. It’s sad that some folks take some sort of joy in the demise of manufacturers. I think it is sad when they go away - just an indication of the decline of the hobby industry in general.

The decline in the hobby is because of people like you not the people that spend the money to enjoy

You have always been just vapor and not reality.

Trolls are limited to the Aristo forum were lies are a daily activity.

Nick S. said:

Trolls are limited to the Aristo forum were lies are a daily activity.

Lies? Lies?
Oh, Nicky, say it ain’t so!
Now Lewis and Co have to do another “Interview” with Ariemma and publish it on their forums to dispel more “roomers”.
TOC

JJ - The decline of the hobby has many facets, the largest one being the coufuser we are having this discussion on. Computer gaming provides the younger generation with an ‘instant gratification’ no other hobby can provide. Compound that with the fact that it appears to me that ‘tagging’ trains is more fun than modeling them. I would venture a guess that less than 0.1% percent of our youth today even know what a steam engine is, much less wants one on his non-existant railroad.

When you add into the mix economic pressures, public perception, etc. and all the manufacturers are having a difficult time. However, as I posted earlier, when a manufacturer continues to tell different stories about how/why products are not materializing, this shakes consumer confidence, as it did mine. What Aristo Craft product I do have runs well (I only have two Rogers and an E8 loco). Would I purchase additional rolling stock, probably because the main thing to wear out is the trucks, and there are other sources of truck. Motive power, now that is another story - probably not.

I was considering the Revolution, until … 9 months and several different stories and I purchased another product, and will not look back. From my vantage point, whether AC survives or not will not have much bearing on me. However I know a large percentage of my club member and the club itself will be hurt by AC going out of business. I don’t know how that will affect ‘Polk Hobbies’ in NJ.

As for the business model, after 40 years in engineering and purchasing/specifying, I don’t see anything positive to talk about. This has all the earmarks of a business in financial trouble - high interest rates on borrowed money, vendors that will not offer credit or want cash up front. Is this fact? I don’t have that answer either, but it sure looks that way to me. I was not aware of Louis’ “withdrawal” for his retirement. That revelation solidifies even more my perspective. Only time will tell the real truth.

Bob C.

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

Nick S. said:

Trolls are limited to the Aristo forum were lies are a daily activity.

Lies? Lies?
Oh, Nicky, say it ain’t so!
Now Lewis and Co have to do another “Interview” with Ariemma and publish it on their forums to dispel more “roomers”.
TOC

Well, You know thats just another guy that hides behind a fake bear mask just like the Mcmoron…

Hey Nick - how the heck do you know what and how much I purchase? Perhaps you need to mind your own business, eh?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - even me! My opinion is that bickering back and forth and jumping on the band wagon to beat up a manufacturer does absolutely NOTHING to help the hobby. The major problem with the hobby industry is that the major demographic of hobby enthusiasts is growing very long in the tooth - as evidenced by how old and cranky most of the folks on these forums are.

Any ways out with the OLD and in with the future of Large scale. AML AND USA TRAINS ARE IT

Get on bored or get played… They are the future of our hobby period. grave stones and pissing

on them are more common today than ever.

Stop the madness!!! :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

John Joseph Sauer said:

Hey Nick - how the heck do you know what and how much I purchase? Perhaps you need to mind your own business, eh?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - even me! My opinion is that bickering back and forth and jumping on the band wagon to beat up a manufacturer does absolutely NOTHING to help the hobby. The major problem with the hobby industry is that the major demographic of hobby enthusiasts is growing very long in the tooth - as evidenced by how old and cranky most of the folks on these forums are.

Yea and every time i prove you wrong with my 100 + loco’s I laugh at your owing trains RESPONSES

Ask yourself if you really own any were near what I do and you dont and you know it.

I’m tierd of being lied to and I can prove it un like you that are just vapor ware like the Aristo forrum.