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#141

Tim

See my earlier post. The items I bought that were in stock had both the msrp and the reduced you save price. When I added it to my cart the price was the lower sale price. After everything was totaled up that I ordered I typed in the code “1935” in the coupon code as they instructed and it took an additional 40% right off my total.

Believe me I actually placed a successful order and you definitely get all the savings. My usual dealer is Pi**ed because the new discount is so good it beats his dealer price.

#142

Bill,
if they can offer items at 40% off the already discounted prices then it clearly shows how much markup there is/was on retail sales. If the already discounted prices are around 40% off then combined with a further 40% discount then we are back to distributor wholesale pricing. Even at the standard discount price there was already a reasonable profit level.

Given all the missgivings about the closure plus the pledges of allegiance from the foolhardy (oops, I meant the faithful), it is strange that Scott would even feel the need for a further discount. There in lies a mystery. Why would the company import new stock just to flog it off for a massive discount? It would have been a potential possibility some months ago that they were not going to survive the end of the year. At the most the markup on import cost would be in the region of 10% at most. A small margin indeed. Desperate times, desperate measures.

#143

Not for us to worry about the additional discount; if you need and they have it, better get it!

#144

Retail or MSRP is normally 400% markup. Example: if an item cost $100 to make, MSRP will be $400. Take the SD-45 as an example, retail is $709, by my math with the standard discount of 35% plus the 40% closing discount; the purchase price would $273.
Cost to produce is somewher around $177. From what I have heard most model railroad manufactors are charging their dealers about the same percentage as Aristocraft charges for direct sales. So who is making the most money? Now this is basic examples.

#145

Tim Brien said:

David,
of cause I rushed to the website hoping to pick up a bargain. I was looking for a high quality, reliable locomotive to add to my mantlepiece collection and then I remembered, it was Aristo and NOT LGB that was having the firesale.

You forgot it was Aristo that quickly? So does that make my Chinese made LGB cars a mantel piece. Oh wait you did say a locomotive …I have a few of them that I built cause it’s my HOBBY.

#146

Tim Brien said:

As I stated previously, any spare capital will be invested in restocking the Revo range, not outlayed on stock made several years ago.

Ahh…I knew it!! You didn’t purchase the product you purchased the company!

#147

David Russell said:

Tim Brien said:

As I stated previously, any spare capital will be invested in restocking the Revo range, not outlayed on stock made several years ago.

Ahh…I knew it!! You didn’t purchase the product you purchased the company!

Doing good. Harass and bash…page 192, 276, and 394 of The Book. One of the Faithful already got one thread locked by being an absolute…well, we won’t go there.
The good thing is, everybody can see where you get your attitude from.
What are you gonna do when none of the regulars tell you how to think anymore?
Helping out the company by buying stuff.
Right.
That really worked well for the RBB, didn’t it?
Saw another post on the C-16…guy said the “new” one on “throwback” pricing, even with the 40% off list, cost $50 more than the last one he bought, new, and that one came with a matching caboose.
They’re dead Dave. They’re all dead. (2001…Space Odyssey)

#148

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Not for us to worry about the additional discount; if you need and they have it, better get it!

And if all the parts are gone…when they come in with spun drivers, we can tell them to place the locomotive in the circular Aristo recycling container.

All that bashing and complaining (on the direction of the website?) about folks who wanted to get the issues fixed…and none were…so now what do you have?

HJ, how did that work out for them?
TOC

#149

I feel sorry for all those who live with so much hatred in their hearts,

Faithful and devoted I am, to the hobby that has given me so much joy,
and introduced me to so many great people.

Go ahead and pick my post apart now, this way you can feel better about yourselves.

Nico

#150

Craig Townsend said:

Is it 40% off MSRP, or 40% off street, or 40% off MAP? :wink:

I think we may have our answer… On the other forum a guy says “2 days ago the C-16s were $289 on sale from $499. Now the listing is updated to $499 and with the 1935 code the final price is $299. So no real change in price. Still its a good price for what I think are the last and finest rendition of the old Delton C-16.”

So 40% off what again???

And for our daily/weekly entertainment from the Aristo forum…

http://www.aristocraftforum.com/vbulletinforums/showthread.php?t=20791

“Everything seemed to check out with an Aristo track gauge so I turned the loco , a dash 9 from the second series , on its back and found the wheels were at least .5 mm inside the minimum back to back.
A possible fix is to remove each wheel in turn from its tapered axle and wrap tin foil shims round the axle before replacing the wheel and tightening the screw. It seems to have had the desired effect on the correcting the gauge but how it performs in service is to be seen”

Nice fix! Sounds like it will work just great! :wink:

#151

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Not for us to worry about the additional discount; if you need and they have it, better get it!

And if all the parts are gone…when they come in with spun drivers, we can tell them to place the locomotive in the circular Aristo recycling container.

All that bashing and complaining (on the direction of the website?) about folks who wanted to get the issues fixed…and none were…so now what do you have?

HJ, how did that work out for them?
TOC

I really don’t know, but I know that I don’t need anything from Aristo, which means it leaves that much more for those who really appreciate those “goodies”.

On that recycling container, no need for that! Any respectable railroad has a spot where they park all the old stuff, until such time as the scrap value improves or some museum comes along looking for a bargoon. That could be a track that never gets weeded, so there’s that other advantage.

:wink: :slight_smile:

OK back to working on stuff!

#152

Craig Townsend said:

Craig Townsend said:

Is it 40% off MSRP, or 40% off street, or 40% off MAP? :wink:

I think we may have our answer… On the other forum a guy says “2 days ago the C-16s were $289 on sale from $499. Now the listing is updated to $499 and with the 1935 code the final price is $299. So no real change in price. Still its a good price for what I think are the last and finest rendition of the old Delton C-16.”

So 40% off what again???

And for our daily/weekly entertainment from the Aristo forum…

http://www.aristocraftforum.com/vbulletinforums/showthread.php?t=20791

“Everything seemed to check out with an Aristo track gauge so I turned the loco , a dash 9 from the second series , on its back and found the wheels were at least .5 mm inside the minimum back to back.
A possible fix is to remove each wheel in turn from its tapered axle and wrap tin foil shims round the axle before replacing the wheel and tightening the screw. It seems to have had the desired effect on the correcting the gauge but how it performs in service is to be seen”

Nice fix! Sounds like it will work just great! :wink:

The reason it’s tin foil: you can’t get bailing wire in that small gauge!

#153

David Russell said:

Ahh…I knew it!! You didn’t purchase the product you purchased the company!

David,
there were times when I thought that I had purchased the company. I still retain my stainless rail (at least 25k worth), but have disposed of the eleven (11) Aristo C-16 plus around forty plus Classic range rolling stock. I did have some heavyweight doodlebugs plus heavyweight coaches, plus a late release Pacific, but disposed of all except the track.

The stainless rail has been a Godsend to my enjoyment of the hobby. I count my blessings that I paid the slight premium over the brass that was then available. Do I owe any allegiance. Well as I paid full retail on my rail I feel I served my penance and owe nothing back. Aristo made the rail for profit. The dealer made his profit, so everyone is happy that they got their rewards. They do not need me licking their boots as many of the stalwart survivors do over on the manufacturer site. I am glad that I stopped posting over there many years ago. I ventured a day or so ago to see if the site was still active and the boot licking was sickening.

The Mc Moron who was once a staunch LGB fan now proudly wears his Aristo-Naut badge of honour. When the Annual Darwin Award gets presented, I am sure that it will not fall far from the Aristo-Naut tree.

#154

David Russell said:

…Ahh…I knew it!! You didn’t purchase the product you purchased the company!

David,
unlike the Remington shaver man, I was not that impressed that I felt the need to buy the company.

#155

Curmudgeon mcneely said:

David Russell said:

Tim Brien said:

As I stated previously, any spare capital will be invested in restocking the Revo range, not outlayed on stock made several years ago.

Ahh…I knew it!! You didn’t purchase the product you purchased the company!

Doing good. Harass and bash…page 192, 276, and 394 of The Book. One of the Faithful already got one thread locked by being an absolute…well, we won’t go there.
The good thing is, everybody can see where you get your attitude from.
What are you gonna do when none of the regulars tell you how to think anymore?
Helping out the company by buying stuff.
Right.
That really worked well for the RBB, didn’t it?
Saw another post on the C-16…guy said the “new” one on “throwback” pricing, even with the 40% off list, cost $50 more than the last one he bought, new, and that one came with a matching caboose.
They’re dead Dave. They’re all dead. (2001…Space Odyssey)

Was that directed at me Mr Goodson or at Mr Brien?

Besides I want to know what your gonna “purchase as well” cause all I see now is 40% off list not the rest of the jibber jabber after it.

Dude that’s 40% off list!

Why advertise in a magazine when you can have folk advertise 40% off sale for you !

#156

David,
as HJ regularly reminds us, having the actual ability to read is a definate advantage. Of cause, just reading is not enough, one assumes that the reader has the ability to understand what has been written.

#157

Well this morning there were some ATSF 2 bay hoppers… they are not there now. Good deals, and great.

I ordered a loco from RLD. If there is some profit to be made, I’ll give it to my retailer who has stood beside me a lot better than Aristo has.

He’s getting the same price as the 40% off sale. I told Robby just charge me whatever.

He’s always kept his promises to me, as opposed to the person who promised to make my purchase of SS wheel motor blocks “right”…

Greg

p.s. this is not hatred, I’m just not stupid enough to keep dealing with someone who does not deserve my trust or earn my $$.

#158

Good night everyone…be safe, be nice, and forgive those that disagree with you…awake in the morning…go out and play with the toys you have, and be thankfull for what you have …remembering those that can’t afford any of the toys you have, and are thankfull for those that might have the opportunity to try to get into LS model railroading with your help…help them, and you will be doing more for the hobby, than acquiring more stuff, just to put on your shelf…So you have 40 two bay hoppers…so what…there are people that can’t afford one; but if they had that one, they will share that one with others, in order to share the enjoyment…will you…?

Fr.Fred

#159

I’ll just be happy to get my replacement motor before the balloon goes up.

#160

Fred, are you ok?

Is there someone bragging about owning 40 hoppers?

There’s a lot of people who have a lot of rolling stock, and yes there are people who cannot afford one.

If you feel guilty about being able to afford more than others, then yes, by all means, give your stuff away to the underprivileged.

I certainly don’t have 40 of them, so send one my way please.

Greg