OK more of my ignorance is showing. If somone says they have a pedestal from a coach and the conversation started with trucks what are they talking about? They said it is heavy and cast iron.
Now I am thinking that they are talking about the “pin” that goes through the bolster that the truck pivots on? Am I right?
I hope so because this is a valuable piece to my puzzle of where the CR&N coaches went. i have tried googling it and come up empty.
I’m thinking it might be refering to the truck bolster attachment on the car? I’ve heard the term before but can’t place it at the moment.
Hey Devon, This is a pedestal. The inverted U that the journal rides up and down in.
What an odd use for that term, pedestal. I wonder how they got there.
OK…now I guess we need to define the era so we can get the terminology correct. On this one I’m going with Craig but Devon needs to be more specific I suppose?
4 wheel cars had pedestals . On a dead pc I had a series of pics where a B&O water car started with pedestals ad they morphed into 4 wheel trucks.
My vote Randy
John
I just learned sump-tin.
Here’s a patent that mentions a pedestal in the way that Randy pictured it.
That’s an error, Steve. That’s the message I got, on my screen, when I clicked on your link??
Dan Padova said:
That’s an error, Steve. That’s the message I got, on my screen, when I clicked on your link??
Fixed it. Dang tablet!
Rooster,
Devon is looking around the turn of the 20th Century (1890’s) time frame when the coaches were constructed. Insert foot into mouth if I got that wrong after our conversation last night…
Got it Steve, thanks. By the way, there’s a guy in Sri Lanka that sells those journals along with link and pin couplers and some other detail parts. Mostly for building small four wheeled cars. He is on Ebay from time to time.
OK guys. These coaches would have been built in 1881-82 but thats not even the whole story. The story goes (and none of this is verified yet) that the original RR took off the original narrow gauge trucks and replaced them with standard gauge trucks in 1887. They ran them this way until brand new coaches were ordered and arrived. They then sold the coaches to my CR&N (which has NP ties) sans trucks. So when the CR&N got them they needed new trucks which supposedly were supplied by the NP car shops. Ths would be 1887. So the trucks in question would be Northen pacific four wheel trucks. So if all of this is true then I have to lean toward Craig ad say that the guy is talking about the car to bolster attachment “pin” if you will that the truck pivots on.
Now the guy who I am conversing wit is talking about having the “pedestal” in his house and that the truck is buried in a pile of dirt somewhere. So while I believe Randy is corret I also believe Craig is also.
The most important part of this discussion is that I am glad i am not the only one that went “huh”?
As for as termenology thats just the word this guy used. I have no idea if he knows what he is talking about.
PS he offered to sell it to me.(http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif) how am I going to ship a big piece of cast iron from AK to ID. But boy what a trohy to have a piee of one of the actual cars. He seemed to think shipping the whole truck might not be reasonable.(http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cry.gif)
Devon, Some times 4 of those “pedestals” were used to make one four wheel truck. Perhaps this is why terminologies seem to be overlapping.
I have a set of 4 of these from Ozark waiting to be used:
http://www.ozarkminiatures.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=308
I used 4 of the Ozark Miniature’s braced pedistal mounts on my “Quarry Flat” cars.
Dave
Also remember that non-railroad interested people call things on railroad cars other than the proper name because they don’t know or care. Heck even railroaders have a hard time playing ‘name that part’…
If memory serves - the pedastal in a 4 or 6 wheel truck is the part the journal box rides in. In the time frame we are speaking of, trucks were multiple parts bolted together. Still used in todays terminalogy to speak of the foreged part of the truck side frame the the journal block or roller bearing is conatined within.
OK Randy et.all.
That makes sense. It even makes me want the part even more
So I was able to look at a high res photo of my coaches and cropped out the truck in question. And I think Randy is spot on. You can see braced pedestals very similiar to the ones dave used from Ozark.
So thanks for clearing that up. Now if I can match those truck to other trucks made by NP at around the same time that would be giant.
