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Ore Loader - the three bears would be proud

As I start to work on scenery for the Slate Creek, I’m faced with having to have some kind of better idea about ore loading, in order to plan out where the tracks will be, and how much space between the hills I’m going to need.

Most of the car loaders/unloaders I’ve seen are either too small … meaning guys with shovels, mule wagons, or in the modern era, a specially adapted backhoe… or way too large, taking up a small zip code, and designed for 1000’s of cars at once.

What I need is a “just right” sized prototype to “adapt” to the Slate Creek’s mine siding that has a receiver for mine cars to dump into, and some kind of discharge to load all these nice Bachmann hoppers I’ve got … it’s probably going to look something like a coaling tower, I’d guess, but I need sometihng that’d make sense for loading 10-20 cars at a time (capacitywise… one at a time is fine for the actual discharge!) I’d also be open to a trestle dump for mine tippers dumping directly into a waiting train … but I’d almost rather have a bin and loader, as I have an 8x8 beam to conceal, and see some switching ops possibilities for switching empties through the loader and onto the “ready track”

Just some discussion on the idea would be great, but anyone with photos please show me too!

Matthew (OV)

Why not start with a ““Colorado Model Structures”” ore loader building??? Seems like it would have the storage/bin area and the loading track… You’d have to check your measurements to see if it is usable…

www.coloradomodel.com/bldgg.htm

If one is not wide enough, buy two and kit bash them together…

Locally (wel 30 minutes away) there is an open gravel pit that uses front end loaders to a series of “conveyors” that load the hoppers. there is a string of hoppers placed BUT not more than 50 or so I’d geuss? Actually going to Acme Mapper show 21 cars spotted for loading.

http://mapper.acme.com/
Search Great Valley NY along Route 219 on the south & East side of the road between Great Valley and Salamanca NY.

Chas

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/rgseng/0801310011.jpg)

This is what I came up with to fill in a spot the layout. Basically a 16" long x 8" wide box with some timbers added to the outside. Only handles 2 cars at a time, but back then that’s all most of them handled.

W. Chas. Ronolder IV said:
Locally (wel 30 minutes away) there is an open gravel pit that uses front end loaders to a series of “conveyors” that load the hoppers. there is a string of hoppers placed BUT not more than 50 or so I’d geuss? Actually going to Acme Mapper show 21 cars spotted for loading. http://mapper.acme.com/ Search Great Valley NY along Route 219 on the south & East side of the road between Great Valley and Salamanca NY. Chas

You mean this one ??? [url=photo.cvsry.com/Loader1280.jpg]

(http://photo.cvsry.com/Loader640.jpg)

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Is there an 'ore house near you ?

Rod Hayward said:
Is there an 'ore house near you ?
Aaaargh! Mind you, someone (not me!) came perilously close to mis-spelling hoedown in a headline today. The final head was "Hoedown in O-town" -- think of the possibilities for, umm, error. True history: Many years ago, back in the days of hot lead and proofreaders when Fr Fred was less venerable than he is now, we ran a story about the equally venerable and somewhat snooty Ottawa Hunt and Golf Club. The head should have started "Hunt Club ...". Well, the first word rhymed with Hunt, and nobody caught it before it got into print ... Fortunately, it was a very small head, buried on an inside page.

what about an ore tipple? could be what you need.

http://web.mac.com/gardentexture/Site/21283_3_Chute.html

Dave

Well if you have an 8x beam to conceal and your not sure about a mule and shovel nor are you interested in a modern facility why not blend both. Use the 8x as a raised wall with “hoes” or chutes loading the cars. Dump the load on the hill/ top of the wall and load the cars by method of choice? 7 1/2" beam would be up enough for scale height that you could timber out the front and load them with a “hoe” or people. Why do you need a structure at all?

Ok. Now we’re getting someplace.

The coloradomodel one is along the lines of what I had in mind as far as the actual loading apparatus… and the ore bins with chutes would also work to some degree. And, I could probably use a conveyor similar to the ones demonstrated to raise the ore from the mine car dump to the bin… making this work, to some degree, would make the scene interesting too.

My primary issue is that the mine tunnels and trams are going to be lower than the car loading bins for the most part … elevating the mine trams to a minimum “dumping height” will put them ABOVE eye level on the layout… not that that’s a deal breaker, but at or near ground level would probably be preferable, particularly since there will probably be a track (or two) behind the bin as well depending on how the mine tram is routed in.

Also, while ALL of this is very helpful, I’m most interested in photos of 1:1 examples … I have the model end of it covered as long as I can describe and draw what I want… and I dont’ want it to be completely a figment of my imagination!

Continue, please!

Matthew (OV)

Jon,
I remembered someone had been in my neck of the woods and got good photos but could not remember who?

Thanks!

Chas

here is an interesting shot:

(http://www.msha.gov/century/colliery/images/pic13.gif)

found here: http://www.msha.gov/century/colliery/colliery.asp and this:

(http://www.wvepostcards.com/postcards/?picture=/pimages/p7021.jpg)

found here: http://www.wvepostcards.com/coal-mining-tipples/index.php howabout this:

(http://www.jaha.org/edu/discovery_center/work/img/mining/images/22_tipple_ext_imperial_c.jpg)

located here: http://www.jaha.org/edu/discovery_center/work/industry02.html nice one here: http://images.indianahistory.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/P0129&CISOPTR=1310&DMSCALE=100.00000&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT="Coal"&REC=20&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0 belonging here: http://images.indianahistory.org/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=exact&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=all&CISOBOX1=%20Coal an RGS:

(http://rgs.railfan.net/images/rgs_img_040.jpg)

from here: http://rgs.railfan.net/remains.html here is a Luke Tipple:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2576098259_8d97ce5fb3_o.jpg)

found here: http://www.luketipple.com/journal/?p=62 and I’m done:

(http://www.coalmont.mozey-on-inn.com/images/MOI/Web%20Tipple%201931.jpg)

found here: http://www.coalmont.mozey-on-inn.com/photos3.html all photos above belong to the person that posted them. cale

Okay, what is the stuff (use of pleasant word) at the bottom of your thread?

Some of that is quite nice, Cale. Though, I think I won’t be modelling Luke Tipple; he appears to be doing enough modeling himself.

I particularly like that first one … It may ultimately make more sense to do a long dump trestle or something.

My goal all along has been to use some 32mm track to set up a working mine tram somewhere in the scene, meaning I have to be able to get it in and out of the dumping area to some kind of nearby mine adit … which makes the topography of the scene interesting to say the least, particularly with the large straight up 10x10 scale foot column in the middle …

More as this develops…

Matthew (OV)

That RGS shot is of a coaling pocket, used for coaling locomotives, NOT loading cars. The RGS had a few of them.

Fred Mills said:
That RGS shot is of a coaling pocket, used for coaling locomotives, NOT loading cars. The RGS had a few of them.
Uh huh. I suspect it'd take longer to fill a gondola from one of those than you'd want to spend doing it. The overhead ones look like you could dump a whole gondola or hopperfull in one crash .... and in the middle of the car.

Made some preliminary sketches … continuing to sort this out into something that makes sense for my railroad. One challenge being what color to paint the portion of the beam sticking out the top … or not.

The number of stairs on the older versions of these things is staggering …

Matthew (OV)

Matthew (OV) said:
Some of that is quite nice, Cale. Though, I think I won't be modelling Luke Tipple; he appears to be doing enough modeling himself.

I particularly like that first one … It may ultimately make more sense to do a long dump trestle or something.

My goal all along has been to use some 32mm track to set up a working mine tram somewhere in the scene, meaning I have to be able to get it in and out of the dumping area to some kind of nearby mine adit … which makes the topography of the scene interesting to say the least, particularly with the large straight up 10x10 scale foot column in the middle …

More as this develops…

Matthew (OV)


Matt and Ric, while googling “tipple” images the Luke thing came up, knew it’d surprise a few as they scrolled down thru the post… :smiley: gotcha!

Yeah, in regards to #1; I like the curved trestle as it leads to the dump site…

cale