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OPEN DISCUSSION on the MIK build Challenges

Rooster makes a good point.

And it had been my point all along. Are we here to limit the hobby or broaden it. I really struggle with this. I love making things from bits and pieces. But I have come to love CAD. And if we want to be inclusive, if we want to attract as many people and as much diversity as we can, how does offering limits do that?

It just does not make any sense to me to set a rule like 30 dollars 30 days and waterever you have before January 1st and the have a giant BUT you can’t use a 3d printer. Just doesn’t make sense. Especially when the only reason for the rule is because the old timers don’t want to learn or purchase the technology. Because that’s really how I see this, “because we don’t have it we want it banned”. Sorry but thats how it looks to me. Especially since I started as a junk box builder.

When I was young and foolish I was into drag racing. They would let 16 yo kids run down
the track as long as there was at least some rubber on the wheels… but I digress…

To keep things fair we had different classes: stock, funny car, rail, etc. Perhaps we need
several classes:

  • classic: no 3d or milling, $30 :stuck_out_tongue:
  • advanced: less than %25 3d/milled :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
  • top fuel: anything you can do :crazy_face:

Just my opinion and only my opinion… MIK never had a 3d printer nor any other fancy equipment…
His builds were strictly from his scrap box and from what few items he could obtain with the little bit of money he had…

If the challenge is truly in memory of MIK, then that’s how the challenge should be done…

Everything from what is on hand and a max of 20 bucks for materials… No using any ““high Tech””
equipment…

A separate challenge should be instituted for building with anything with a max 30 price range…

Again, just my opinion… Not looking to argue anyone else’s views…

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I could go along with Andy. But I would add that the theme and any such starting point ( a door) would be the same.

The problem I see with over complicating the rules and adding different classes is then the guy who is nice enough to host it (Dave) has to then moderate it, tally votes in multiple categories, and give out whatever honors is given out. Do we really want to make more work for Dave? I don’t.

I say we honor MIK by doing what MIK intended, have a friendly challenge in the doldrums of winter where people built to a theme and a price and let them have at it however they see fit. Yes MIK did build a certain way (out of necessity) but here is my question . . .did MIK ever give a crap how others built stuff during his challenges? Did he EVERY voice an opinion how things “SHOULD” be built? I don’t know I wasn’t around. But from what I gather he wanted participation, he wanted to build, he wanted to gather people, he wanted to do something in the winter as a group.

Are we really honoring MIK as a builder (where we set rules to build as he did) or are we honoring MIK as the host of a build challenge (where we set rules that get any and all people to participate)? I can clearly see where some see this annual challenge as a honor to his methods and others like me see it as an honor to why he hosted the challenge.

I have been a member of many clubs over the years. I have watched ideas come and go. Here are some observations I have made. EVERYONE has an opinion on how it should be done. NOONE but a very small few want to do any of the actual work of running it. This then causes two things to happen. The very few who actually want to do the work become burnt out and the participants get disgruntled because they are not getting their personal way.

Here then is my final recommendation and then I am done beating my drum. All of us, including myself, follow Dave’s lead and be happy and have fun. Whatever Dave says goes and you either participate or you don’t. Now I realize Dave did ask for us to chime in. But I think that was more in response to our whining than anything else. And I certainly include myself in this as probably the biggest whiner of the group. At least the most vocal. So I am going to shut up on the subject. And whatever Dave decides to do I will participate and APPRECIATE the work he does to bring it to us each year.

Perhaps this is the wrong time to ask for a pony but what the hell!

“Can I have a pony cause I always really wanted one” ??

The Challenge has strayed so far from what MIK started it is IMHO it is no longer a MIK Challenge. So lets just call it the Dave Challenge (or any other challenge you so desire) and leave MIK out of it all together. That way everyone can do whatever the hoot they want and no feelings will get hurt.

The concept of a junk box build has been so defiled I think MIK would have walked away years ago,

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I think Bob’s hitting a big nail on the head: Is this a build in memorial to Mik and following exactly his wishes in starting it? Which is totally fine, especially for those who knew him, and/or witnessed the evolution of this contest.

This is why I was hesitant in doing my project, since it used a lot of 3DP parts. So I asked permission before I started, and thought I was given the green light. This is my first participation, and didn’t want to veer from the rules or traditions. In the eyes of some, I did; and I respect that point of view. After all, it’s still called the “Mik Challenge.”

Even so, Dave’s been doing the hard work of keeping this Challenge alive. If not for his work, would it exist anymore? I’d guess not. So for me, what Dave says is what goes for rules on this subject, and Dave has spoken. If he’d said “The is the MIK challenge, and we’re going to play strictly by his original rules,” that’d be fine. But he didn’t.

Maybe two contests would be appropriate, if there were a surplus of willing managers for all that. But I don’t see Dave wanting to split it, or suggesting a separate contest. Nor do I see anyone volunteering to host / moderate a second “tech build” contest. That would be fine with me; but with so few participants anyway, I’d be concerned that one or the other (traditional vs. technical) would languish at this point.

My opinion: abide by Dave’s rules. And when the participation gets too numerous (because it’s hard to vote with too many contestants anyway), put out the suggestion for a second contest based on technical modeling, and the invite for someone to step up and moderate it.

Until then, I think we should band together and either do some modeling, or appreciate those who try.

Cliff

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