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Obama Coal Industry Proposal

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#1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

Hidden Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
November 2, 2008 - 07:26 ET
read update about the San Francisco Chronicle neglecting to mention Obama’s willingness to bankrupt the coal industry at bottom of this blog.)
Imagine if John McCain had whispered somewhere that he was willing to bankrupt a major industry? Would this declaration not immediately be front page news? Well, Barack Obama actually flat out told the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) that he was willing to see the coal industry go bankrupt in a January 17, 2008 interview. The result? Nothing. This audio interview has been hidden from the public…until now. Here is the transcript of Obama’s statement about bankrupting the coal industry (emphasis mine):

Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them.
Amazing that this statement by Obama about bankrupting the coal industry has been kept under wraps until this time.

UPDATE: NewsBusters’ Tom Blumer has found out that the San Francisco Chronicle story published on January 18 based upon this January 17 interview did not include any mention of Obama’s willingness to bankrupt the coal industry which you can hear on the audio. You can read the story here when you scroll down to the “In His Own Words” section. Way to cover up for The One, SF Chronicle!

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.

http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/hid...t-coal-industry

#2

Misleading.

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

IF someone wants to build a plant. Not the coal industry, but utility companies, and it only has to do with new construction.

And, McCain approves of the same Trade and Cap plan.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx

#3

May be we need to ask if that will apply to our use of candles and coal oil lamps to use in our homes? Since we will not be able to drive a car to get to work or the store we will not need to worry about it, will we? Oh the joy of living in the leftest state!

Paul

#4
E. Paul Austin said:
May be we need to ask if that will apply to our use of candles and coal oil lamps to use in our homes? Since we will not be able to drive a car to get to work or the store we will not need to worry about it, will we? Oh the joy of living in the leftest state!

Paul


You can ask, and the answer will be “no, it won’t. It will only apply to new coal plants.”

But you don’t really want to actually listen to the answer anyway.

#5

Ah yes, another nail in the coffin of America’s future of independently-produced energy thanks to an already discredited theory that the left so dearly loves known as anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming. On this one, BOTH candidates have drunk the kool aid and the left wins once again in its advance toward total control of our economy by destroying it in order to save it. Yes, indeed.

#6

The (San Francisco) Bay Area Air Quality Management District (BAAQMD) just put out a regulation that makes it illegal to burn wood or firelogs in household fireplaces and woodstoves when the Air District issues a wintertime Spare the Air health advisory. That is estimated to be about 20 days / year. The prohibition even applies to the most modern EPA approved stoves. They are now in the process of hiring 65 wood stove police to drive around and cite people using wood heat. Fines are up to $1000. The BAAQMD board of directors is 100% composed of 22 politicians (city mayors, city council members and county supervisors) from the cities and counties that are geographically included. Not one ‘private citizen’ representative. No elections, and virtually no possibility of public review. Just a burgeoning uncontrolled bureaucracy created by and for the politicians that run it.

Our home was designed to only use wood for heat, with an airtight, high efficiency woodstove. Fortunately we are outside of the BAAQMD by about 60 miles, but we can see what is coming. This crap, coupled with the federal requirement to only use the Chinese made, mercury containing CFL light bulbs will soon have us freezing in the dark. Mostly brought about by Al Gore and his fellow traveler nutzoids who deny the existence of extremes in weather on the planet over time.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

#7
mike omalley said:
E. Paul Austin said:
May be we need to ask if that will apply to our use of candles and coal oil lamps to use in our homes? Since we will not be able to drive a car to get to work or the store we will not need to worry about it, will we? Oh the joy of living in the leftest state!

Paul


You can ask, and the answer will be “no, it won’t. It will only apply to new coal plants.”

But you don’t really want to actually listen to the answer anyway.


Yes, Mike I will listen to the answer. However the more power “they” take, the more we will need to think about a cave in the mountains as the only place we can live and wear a lot of fur, oops that is a no no too! I am not to worried, when they come to take my Bibles and/or Guns they can pry them out of my COLD DEAD Fingers! Paul

#8
Jerry Bowers said:
The (San Francisco) Bay Area Air Quality Management District (BAAQMD) just put out a regulation that makes it illegal to burn wood or firelogs in household fireplaces and woodstoves when the Air District issues a wintertime Spare the Air health advisory. That is estimated to be about 20 days / year. The prohibition even applies to the most modern EPA approved stoves. They are now in the process of hiring 65 wood stove police to drive around and cite people using wood heat. Fines are up to $1000. The BAAQMD board of directors is 100% composed of 22 politicians (city mayors, city council members and county supervisors) from the cities and counties that are geographically included. Not one 'private citizen' representative. No elections, and virtually no possibility of public review. Just a burgeoning uncontrolled bureaucracy created by and for the politicians that run it.

Our home was designed to only use wood for heat, with an airtight, high efficiency woodstove. Fortunately we are outside of the BAAQMD by about 60 miles, but we can see what is coming. This crap, coupled with the federal requirement to only use the Chinese made, mercury containing CFL light bulbs will soon have us freezing in the dark. Mostly brought about by Al Gore and his fellow traveler nutzoids who deny the existence of extremes in weather on the planet over time.

Happy RRing,

Jerry


Jerry thanks for chiming in I live about 80 miles from San Francisco, they have a lot of strange ideas there (great place to visit) but it has spread to the Sacramento/San Jaquin valley and the have fireplace cops there, additionally Lake Tahoe has some restrictions. This just goes to show you what happens when an Idiot like Al Gore claims the sky is falling( Tony don’t worry yours will go the other way) I agree 1000%. there are some other issues here and the whole California climate (Political) is coming down around around our shoulders. All this is brought about the coastal people where the masses dwell.

Smokem If you Got Em

Trains!

#9
Bob McCown said:
Misleading.

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

IF someone wants to build a plant. Not the coal industry, but utility companies, and it only has to do with new construction.

And, McCain approves of the same Trade and Cap plan.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080319133739.aspx


Well Bob, Listening tonight he repeated it again “my plan is more aggressive than any others out there” so it not totally misleading. My question is What other industries out there is he going to bankrupt?

#10

It’s misleading to report that Obama wants to destroy the coal industry. That’s the way the headline has read for days. If the headline read ‘Obama wants to regulate coal fired power plants and eliminate the use of dirty coal technology in new plants’ then it would be accurate.

No one is debating that Obama’s plan isn’t more aggressive. The premise, however, is shared by both candidates.

Rush Limbaugh was spewing this garbage all day yesterday. This morning Imus is saying that Obama wants to close all the coal mines in Pennsylvania. They just make it up as they go and hope that it works.

A desperation tactic at best.

#11
Quote:
"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."
Now, I was thinking about this sort of thing the other day. The power plant would put out CO2, but people using electric instead of some other power source would reduce their CO2 output...

Do we yell at the railroads for using so much fuel and demand the goods be moved by much less efficient trucks 'cause each uses less fuel?

#12

No, we demand that all railroads change to electric powered motors (bring back Little Joe!) because those locomotives do not spew any carbon into the atmosphere.

:lol: :stuck_out_tongue:

#13
Steve Featherkile said:
No, we demand that all railroads change to electric powered motors (bring back Little Joe!) because those locomotives do not spew any carbon into the atmosphere.

:lol: :stuck_out_tongue:


That is quite true, as long as they use Chopper technology “See Mom, no brushes!”. :smiley: