Tim,
I have just reread all of the above and realised that Tac did not actually bring up the subject of guns.
You did.
I do however agree that the heading of the topic was antagonistic and uncalled for.
The actual subject matter was relevant to a train forum.
Tac should be applauded for his efforts to promote our wonderful hobby.
Whilst I have the same abhorrence of guns that you do, as far as I can recall Tac rightly keeps his off topic comments to the Off Topic forum.
Tony,
I did not state that Terry introduced the topic of guns. Reread what I did say. Terry has previously discussed his non-interest with the topic of LGB, but continues to read the topic discussion and then refers, by inference, to those who discuss the topic, as beligerant blisters. If this is not inciting a response then tell me what he inferred, considering his topic heading was ‘character assasination’. A beligerant blister is a constant sore that irritates and never heals. In my posts in this thread, I have applauded Terry for his continued positive contribution to the hobby with his regular charity work. I have never inferred that he is a beligerant blister and not once have criticised his character (except he took great offence to be called British. This was an innocent faux pas on my behalf, as he is a citizen of the United kingdom and thus one would assume that he is British. I wonder what his passport states as no doubt he holds a British passport?)
My reference to guns was that while I see no reason to mention guns on this site, I do not take a point of difference with him when he does refer to his sniper?/target rifles. Why therefore does discussion on a topic that he has no interest in, have such a personal impact, that he calls those involved 'beligerant blisters'? This is thread is more damming than any 'robust discussion' on the topic of LGB.Tim,
Don’t come the raw prawn with me.
I didn’t say you did say Terry did introduce the topic of guns.
I said you introduced the subject of guns into this topic. Not Terry.
Guns had not been mentioned until you did.
I also said I found the title of the subject abrasive and inciteful.
I know exactly what Tery has said in the past. In this topic he is not guilty.
I would imagine Terry now holds an EU passport just as I do.
I also see no reason to make reference to guns at this site but, as it is allowed, so be it.
In the Off Topic forum.
Or perhaps Other Hobbies.
Tony,
quote: “I have just reread all of the above and realised that Tac did not actually bring up the subject of guns.”
I am not being confrontational with you, so why the reference to coming the raw prawn with you? You initially believed that Terry introduced guns to the discussion and so you went back over the thread and came to the conclusion that it was I that introduced the subject. My response was exactly as you have discovered. I have not denied that. I have no interest in guns so if a topic arose directly concerning guns, I would not read it. If Terry has no interest in the woes of LGB then why comment on it? Terry’s last gun reference was the post in this forum section about the Euro 2008 soccer tournament, in which he states that all he sees in Switzerland are rifle ranges. I rarely read the off topic forum, so any gun reference is in the general discussion section.
Terry, states that he wants a peaceful forum and yet starts a thread with reference to beligerant blisters. He is a hypocrite.
Tim, Tim, Tim.
Please get your facts staright.
The post I made at the top of the page is the very first one I have made in this topic.
To say that I intially believed Terry introduced guns is a ver long bow to draw.
I reread the thread to make sure excatly who said what. Not to change my mind.
True it is that Terry makes refernce to guns in this General Forum which I also believe is inaprropriate.
However, twist and wriggle all you like but the bottom line is it was you that introduced the subject of guns in this topic. Not Terry.
By all means lambaste inappropriate postings, but, if you have no interests in guns why raise them in the first place.
So assuming you actually know what the OZ saying really means, “Don’t come the raw prawn with me”.
Is that confrontational enough for you?
Tony,
for your elucidation, a quote from my last posting -
“You initially believed that Terry introduced guns to the discussion and so you went back over the thread and came to the conclusion that it was I that introduced the subject. My response was exactly as you have discovered. I have not denied that.” Tony, in black and white.
I have explained several times why I made reference to the topic of guns, but sometimes the message is not comprehended, the first or second time, so here goes again. I despise guns and despise mention of them on an inappropriate forum, but to date have not made comment on this forum to such. Each time the person in question has made reference to the type of gun he owns or the location of rifle ranges, whatever, I have made no reference to it, preferring to keep it to myself. However, I used the topic of guns as an example of something that I do not comment on and so ignore when mentioned.
The originator of the thread has made reference to his-non interest in the woes of LGB, but rather than ignore the posts relating to the topic, as I would have done if not interested in the topic, he draws one’s attention to them and then insults those who may differ in opinion on the subject. His own words, beligerent blisters, is actually a most insulting reference, that not even those well-known protagonists, who have been commenting on the subject for two years, would even stoop to. Hardly the words of a supposed gentleman.
To say that to think that you believed Terry introduced guns is a very long bow to draw. Well, quote from you on your initial post -
Quote: “I have just reread all of the above and realised that Tac did not actually bring up the subject of guns.” I never said that Terry introduced the topic of guns to this thread and for you to make this quoted comment, indicates that you initially thought that might have been the case, so hardly a long bow to draw.
Egads…you two should meet one day in a pub; have a few pints and then go out back, to finally figure out which has the largest molars…get over it.
Go out and OPERATE a train on your “Roundy Roundy” pikes, then come back and tell us all about your “Experience”. It would make for a much more constructive and enjoyable thread.
Thank you
Tony,
I am able to have a differing opinion and answer a ‘challenge’ without being personally derogatory.
Tim.
You are still wrong.
I did not initially believe Terry introduced the subject of guns.
Nowhere did I say that.
If you wish to win an argument based on falsehoods please feel free to do so.
It will not aid you in your quest to “down” your oponents by attacking them for something they didn’t say or do.
You guys need to shake hands and go back to creating conspiracy theories about EPL/LGB ;);):):););):)
John Joseph, I think including your photo here might be offensive… Best wishes from Wiesen near Davos, Zubi
To the donkeys of course! Zubi
John Joseph Sauer said:I agree.At least then I can actually follow what the argument is about. Ralph
You guys need to shake hands and go back to creating conspiracy theories about EPL/LGB ;);):):););):):)
Actually for what it’s worth, I have three passports. One British [I WAS born here, that’s true enough], one for the Republic of Ireland as is my right, and one for Israel, again, that again is my right.
Oh yes, and an EU passport… as if that matters.
If I pushed hard enough I could probably get a Canadian one as well.
But three is enough for now though.
I’m indeed sorry that my post has engendered all this ruckus, and wish with all my heart-bone that you’d let it lie down and die.
tac
Richard Smith said:
Terry,You left out one item about your life; that you are the consumate gentleman! A real pleasure to know you and to have you as a friend.
Richard, everybody needs somebody they can look up to, and at only five foot ten and half, I, Sir, look up to you and count you friend.
Friends are people who know the most about you, but are your friends all the same.
I’m multiply blessed here folks, with the friends I have on the forum - THEY know who they are.
Best graders
tac
Tim Brien said:Sir, you choose to exaggerate both my intellect and my intent.
Terry...You are a language expert, so your chosen words were deliberate and meant to offend....
Nothing was further from my mind than deliberately offending anybody, including you. Nor am I devious enough to enveigle a malicious note into what was an otherwise simple attempt to make a distinction between what I saw as a thread that was developing into a nice bit of antagonism, [something of which there is often a more than a trace on this otherwise friendly forum] by a literary simple ruse - that of posting a counterpoint to it and highlighting it in the title.
I am nowhere near as clever as you give me credit for, more’s the pity, or else I could make money by my writing.
Perhaps if my poor knowledge of the English language was more precise and lucid, we would not now be in the confrontational episode in which we seem to be placed.
I am moving on from this episode, and will begin a new thread that has no unspoken ‘hidden agenda’ or subtle criticism.
tac
When my older girl was in preschool we took in LS trains, a 1" scale loco, and a full sized loco whistle… pretty much EVERYBODY had a great time. We were invited to come back when the younger one was in preschool as well, but couldn’t go. Why? The law changed… and I can’t do anything to help in the schools anymore.
(Background story) My (now ex-) wife was having a NASTY 6 year custody fight with her first ex. Part of that was him rewarding (trips, pets, etc) their daughter for telling “stories” about what happened at our house… Long story short, she made up a story for daddy (who promised her a rabbit), who called CYS, who showed up at 7am and was told to shove off (by me…stupid mistake)…so now I have an “indicated” (until the now 15YO turns 23) in retaliation for making him get a warrant to come find… nothing. The schools don’t care WHY it’s there, just that it is.
Just to get back to the subject at hand (and away from any anal retentives unwarranted displeasure with Mr TAC’s title), our club sets up a display at the Greenburg show in FT Washington every year. (and a few other shows). Our layout seemed to be the big attraction for the kids. Since it was a floor layout the could get right down at floor level and watch the trains go by. That was always the biggest fascination for me and really enjoyed watching them react.
(http://www.geocities.com/kenbrunt/Grnbg01.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/kenbrunt/Grnbg04.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/kenbrunt/Grnbg06.jpg)
(sorry about the picture quality. They have to be at least 10 years old. I need to get some recent pictures)
Woooooooooooooooooooot!
Ken, that looks great! Up on base at Alconbury Elementary School we set up a couple of loops [one analogue and one digital] on desks in the library, and another large loop on the floor to get close up and cosy with. This last set-up usually gets a ladybug eggliner and couple of Stainz or similar locos. We also put in a switch and a short siding so the ycan do a bit of switching around - increasing the play value no end.
Then we just let the young train engineers get on with it and sort themselves out into who does what and when. In general they are pretty good about it all, and we interfere as little as possible.
As for the hooley up at Sawtry this last weekend, the club member photographer profi has taken about a hundred pics, and a preview last night showed some real prize-winners! I’ll try and post a few somehow, maybe ask Steve to do it for me as I have a geas on this computer as far as posting piccies outside e-mail is concerned.
Best
tac
Save’em in your “MyFiles” space…ain’t that hard to do…even I can figger that out…
