Large Scale Central

Now all the character assassination has started

on another thread on this otherwise peaceful website, I’d though I’d bring spread a little balm on the belligerent blisters that tend to spoil what can often be interesting reading by telling you about my day out last wednesday.

My pal Broos and I, both ex-service - him USAF and me British Army - spend a few days every year at local schools and scout-meets, showing off and running our big trains. Since we invariably get to use school classroom or library facilities, we have a lot of ready-made baseboards by way of desks, and we use them to form the basis of as large a layout as we can manage, usually with three loops - one MTS for all the LGB stuff we both still have - and two analogue for the other stuff, of which we have much setting up a smaller loop on the carpetted floor.

Last wednesday was the turn of the elementary school up on the nearby Alconbury base, where Broos served out around ten years of his time in the USAF. The location has the added benefit of an Anthony’s Pizza… :slight_smile:

We took over the library, and spent a coupla’hours setting up before the tide of youngsters at around 1.30.

This year, because we had to finish by 4 o/c, we only took a few locos and cars - ones that were more suitable for the ages of the studes.

Broos bought his digital Sumpter Valley Mallet, a ladybug egg-liner, a Bachmann 38-ton Shay with Phoenix sound and an LGB ‘Otto’ and a goodly selection of cars.

I brought along one of my BNSF Dash 9 with the new QSI sound system and remote QSI Train Engineer sound trigger unit, and a Bachmann Climax with LGB basic sound - and fifteen log cars, and of course, my big Crest power unit and hand-held TE.

As ever, the opening of the show was heralded by much tooting and bells as the various sound-equipped models got going and for around the next three hours it was sheer hand-on trains crowding, mostly by youngsters, but often by adults as well, many of whom had never seen BIG trains before, in spite of all our efforts over on your side of the pond. One guy from Elliott WA, father of a VERY well-behaved and polite young man, just sat right down on the floor by a bend in the track and watched intently for about half an hour, taking control every now and then as a youngster allowed him to, and finally pronounced himself totally hooked on the Bachmann F scale stuff.

The afternoon was a total success, thanks to the staff of Alconbury elementary school, my old pal Broos, getting over the effects of a near-fatal stroke that took him away from H0 and into G scale, and, of course, all the youngsters and the real satisfaction and sense of achievement they brought to both of us.

Who says that hard work can’t be fun as well?

…and guess what?

Tomorrow we’re doing it all over again in Sawtry. :wink:

tac

I really tire when one is continually criticised (by someone who has no interest in the topic) for voicing an opinion on a topic and fail to see the relevance of the post heading to the actual post content.

Not sure what that has to do with Character Assasination, but it sounds like a great day.

Many years ago, a teacher asked if I’d bring an R/C airplane to show the kids at the end of their “Avaiation Unit.” The kids were fascinated to actually see the shape of the wing and the propeller and how all the control surfaces moved, then to see it fly. It was a fun afternoon.

Tim Brien said:
I really tire when one is continually criticised (by someone who has no interest in the topic) for voicing an opinion on a topic and fail to see the relevance of the post heading to the actual post content.

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Tim Brien said:
I really tire when one is continually criticised (by someone who has no interest in the topic) for voicing an opinion on a topic and fail to see the relevance of the post heading to the actual post content.

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Terry A de C Foley said:
.... all the youngsters and the real satisfaction and sense of achievement they brought to both of us. Who says that hard work can't be fun as well. tac
TAC,

I’ve had the opportunity to setup at schools a couple of times and can attest that I received more enjoyment that the kids! The work was well rewarded.

Jack

Tim Brien said:
I really tire when one is continually criticised (by someone who has no interest in the topic) for voicing an opinion on a topic and fail to see the relevance of the post heading to the actual post content.
Dear Mr Brien - whilst trying to keep all this as light as possible, I'm not sure how I can be accused of 'continually' criticising you.

AFAIK, I’ve never criticised you in my life.

I personally felt that the general air of mild unpleasantness being generated on another thread was not conducive to the aim of this forum, which is, after all to share the good things about life and large-scale trains rather than bitch about the many bad things.

So let me give you a well-timed intro into MY life, and you might see why I prefer niceness to nastiness, and then, hopefully, we can move on.

mrs tac and I have had five children. Four are dead. Their graves are in Germany - we live, for the most part, in England. The one survivor, our last child, is seriously disabled. So is her husband.

I am nigh-on crippled with damage to both my ankles from an occurrence in the Army that went wrong - I am registered disabled as a result. I WAS an Army-level bi-athlete - I can now manage to walk a few hundred yards on a good day if I rest up a bit.

The rest of me that doesn’t have the odd after-market hole or other modification is pretty good, although I’m pretty deef from big bangs.

I spent a great portion of my life being shot at and blown up by my own misguided fellow-countrymen and a shorter and much less-pleasant time picking up my own soldiers with a spoon, tweezers and sieve after they had been blown up.

I have picked up the gum-boots of a tiny child out of the earth of Bosnia, with her little feet still inside them, and put them beside the bits of her mother, father and six brothers and sisters who were shot and burned and buried at the same time as she was, along with the rest of her family and her entire village.

I have seen things and done other things that you cannot possibly imagine, on an almost continuous basis, for almost thirty-three years.

So I prefer things to be genteel, rather than confrontational.

Friendly, rather than antagonistic.

Agreeable, rather than argumentative.

Now let’s get back to playing trains.

tac

Terry, no pictures? To bad it would have been great to see. We do need to work at getting more people (age not withstanding) interested in our hobby or it will die!

Paul

E. Paul Austin said:
Terry, no pictures? To bad it would have been great to see. We do need to work at getting more people (age not withstanding) interested in our hobby or it will die! Paul
Dear E - sadly we are not permitted to take pics of children in school premises in this country without written permission from each parent, even though, technically speaking, the school is 'in' the USA.

This is part of the ‘Children’s Act of 2004’ amendments that came into being after about a thousand pedophiles were outed here in UK.

We are not even allowed to take piccies at parties unless we are given persimmon - part of the invitation these days is a tear-off form asking the parent to give persimmon for photos to be taken of their child during the festivations.

Sad eh?

Tomorra will be different, as we are NOT actually in a school but a village fete, and I WILL take piccies and post them on Youtube.

tac

Terry A de C Foley said:
We are not even allowed to take piccies at parties unless we are given persimmon - part of the invitation these days is a tear-off form asking the parent to give persimmon for photos to be taken of their child during the festivations.

Sad eh?

tac


Tac you gotta be sh**ing me? That is just plain and simple the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Are we getting THAT paranoid?

Sometimes I wonder if it isnt just time for humans to step aside and let some other more intellegent species, like dolphin or dogs have a crack at that top evolutionary wrung…

I am at a loss…

"So I prefer things to be genteel, rather than confrontational.

Friendly, rather than antagonistic.

Agreeable, rather than argumentative.

Now let’s get back to playing trains."

Amen brother!
TAC
They say what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
You must possess the strength of Hercules.
Ralph

Hello Tac-
Any responses you heard from the children and attending parents/adults that would give hope to increasing our hobby’s numbers?

Wendell

Sheesh! The teachers used to ask me to bring the camera and take pictures.

Tom Ruby said:
Sheesh! The teachers used to ask me to bring the camera and take pictures.
Sadly, over here in Broonistan that's a thing of the past. Only if you are a professional photographer willl you be allowed to do that. ALL persons working with or in the company of children under the age of 16 have to go through a compulsory police background check, known as the Enhanced Criminal Records Check.

Sad, but these days, it seems that it is necessary to protect youngsters from any from of exploitation. :frowning:

Besp

tac

Wendell Hanks said:
Hello Tac- Any responses you heard from the children and attending parents/adults that would give hope to increasing our hobby's numbers? Wendell
Sure did, Wendell! One parent who had an LGB starter set to run around the tree was completely unaware of the bigger picture, and almost took my arm off when I offered him the chance to come play when our track is finished. Got three youngsters at the school as well.

Lots of positive vibes from the adults who came in with their offspring - much ‘wow-ing’ as they listened to the big dismal sounds…

besp

tac

Terry,

You left out one item about your life; that you are the consumate gentleman! A real pleasure to know you and to have you as a friend.

Tac…and all:

In one of my previous posts I commented on what I thought was the absolute lack of “kid appeal” at the Big Train Show. There was a single children’s 4 x 8 layout faced by folding chairs. However, the show’s advertising promotion was not geared to “bring the family” assuring there will be also be trains 'n layouts for children. Therefore, I saw at most, only four parents toting young kids – perhaps because of the lack of child care alternatives not because of the show.

Your experience can easily be esily repeated in different settings. Witness our having 40 kids from the elementary school to our house – a 1/4 mile teacher led march-in-line effort! I showed several types of cars and ran the trains. I got comments “My dad has to see this!” and “Can it stay outside?” – clearly from the message no toys outside or they rust! On the premise that a train at home can attract children, our daughter was popular with each new grade. Teachers loved the event – so did the kids. Then came the upper grades and the tours stopped. Now, in college, her return visits home do bring requests to sit outside while the trains run. I again do get comments-- now from Carly’s college friends e.g. “My dad should see this!”

There’s hope. Yet, I think we need some help from the mfgs. with some promotion and starter sets with photos of kids having fun with outdoor sets shown in kid/parent mags. Then to reinforce the idea of a full family activity, some further support in garden magazine articles.

Anyway…

Thanks for your input and efforts!

Wendell

That’s the thing about train shows. The people attending are already interested in trains.
The best way to promote the hobby is exactly what many are doing. Having adults and children over to run the trains and taking the trains to the schools.
Submitting photo’s of your Garden Railroad to your local paper is a great way to promote the hobby. Every TV news team has somebody who does the “cutesy feel good” stories.
Ralph

Terry,
if you had posted simply about your running day then kudos to you. You made a conscious decision in your topic title and your leading paragraph, to make a value judgement on forum behaviour. You are a language expert, so your chosen words were deliberate and meant to offend. You believe that I inferred that you were criticising me, personally. I made no assumption. I took it that you were making a deliberate criticism of those who voice an opinion. For that matter, I personally object to your continued reference to guns, as being a train forum, I see no place for that topic, but I have simply accepted that guns are part of your psyche, as voicing an opinion is part of mine. If any considered themselves victims of verbal abuse/intimidation then they would cease posting. To date, none of the procastinators have left the forum and, I believe, enjoy the verbal sparring. One receives as much as one dishes out.

     I stopped posting on MLS because of a tyrannical,  abusive moderator who rules with an iron fist, with the support of his owner/handler.  After many postings on the 'nice boys' forum, over the pond,  I grew bored with constant postings of LGB bragging rights and what the postman just delivered and how many of a particular type of LGB locomotive one owns.  LSC allows real discussion on a topic,  warts and all.  I feel that you would like LSC to mimic MLS and the MAD forum and possibly,  the family forum.  We are not all sheep to be lead around by a shepherd.  The reason that many post on this site is that they have a measure of freedom of speech,  something denied on many forum sites.  I see LSC as the last bastion of free speech and object to any criticism or restriction of that right.