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New passenger cars

Modeling Rolling stock
#21
Steve Featherkile said:
Cut a set for me, Chuck!
Four sets for me, please. I have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.............

tac
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#22

Steve, I can see the fish hooks would work, but they would have to be fairly large in order for the 1/16 welding rod to fit through. As you requested here is a closeup of the brake gear. The air tank is just a piece of dowel with styrene wrapped around it, and the brake cylinder is a couple of pieces of dowel and a couple of discs cut from plywood. The brake line is 1/16 welding rod as are the trussrods. As you can see, once it is painted it looks OK, to me anyway.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1842.jpg)

This is the painted gear from my first car.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1844.jpg)

Chuck, Oh that I had that capability, but I don’t. So, I just do it the old fashioned way. Enjoy, Ron

#23

Hi Ron,

Very nice passinger car, looking forward to your build, would like to make a few myself. Keep p the good work.

Chuckger

#24

Ron,

Thanks for the pix. That is certainly “simple elegance.”

When I was in the Navy, we would sometimes get the opportunity to fish off the fantail. The Skipper was an avid fisherman, so we would find out where the locals were fishing and park the ship there. Barracuda and Mahi-Mahi require some big hooks. Just look in the deep sea section of Bass Pro. :lol: To me, they are free because I’ve had them in my kit for years.

#25

Steve, No Bass Pro near me. Closest would be Spokane (150 mi.) or Calgary (400 mi.). Here is an update on the car sides. This is a shot of the basic components to make one side. I deviated from the plans here in that they call for the windows to be cut seperately and then fit into the sub side. I thought that cutting them all in one strip would save a lot of work and make it easier to keep the spacing even. BEWARE, if you are following the plans, the window drawing is incorrect. If cut to the size shown they are too wide to fit in the spacing in the car side. Not a big deal, but if you cut 30 windows and then find out you may be upset.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1831-1.jpg)

Next is a close-up showing the scribed side.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1832.jpg)

The side pieces together and the window ledge installed with the trim and a closeup.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1836.jpg)

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1835.jpg)

This close-up show the window ledge installed above the plywood side and against the cardstock window section. It serves to hide the joint and strengthen it. Also note the quarter round corner moulding which also adds strength.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1848.jpg)

Next is the window framing, in progress and completed

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1837.jpg)

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1839.jpg)

A completed car side with the top trim/letterboard installed.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/trainman57/Passenger%20car%20build/DSCN1840.jpg)

Now back to the shop. Hope you are all enjoying.

#26

Neat. That’s a great way to do the windows!

How will you hold the glazing in place?

#27
Ron Spencer said:
...BEWARE, if you are following the plans, the window drawing is incorrect. If cut to the size shown they are too wide to fit in the spacing in the car side. Not a big deal, but if you cut 30 windows and then find out you may be upset.
Great pics so far, so what is the fix for this window-apcing problem?

yac
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#28

Bruce,
The inside of the car will be sheeted in 1/32 balsa. The window glazing will be held in by that. It will actually be on the inside of the cardstock window frame.

Terry,
The window as shown on the plan is 1 1/2" by 1 13/16". The inside measurement is 1 1/8" by 1 1/4". Just reduce the width of the window to 1 3/8" and keep the height of 1 13/16". This results in an inside measurement of 1" by 1 1/4". Then everything will fit just fine. The opening in the car side is 1 3/8" by 1 13/16". Or the metric equivilent.

#29
Ron Spencer said:
Bruce, The inside of the car will be sheeted in 1/32 balsa. The window glazing will be held in by that. It will actually be on the inside of the cardstock window frame.

Terry,
The window as shown on the plan is 1 1/2" by 1 13/16". The inside measurement is 1 1/8" by 1 1/4". Just reduce the width of the window to 1 3/8" and keep the height of 1 13/16". This results in an inside measurement of 1" by 1 1/4". Then everything will fit just fine. The opening in the car side is 1 3/8" by 1 13/16". Or the metric equivilent.


Thank you, sir - I’m much obliged to you.

Here in yUK all model wood is, thankfully, in imperial sizes, as are the plans.

It’s a RPITA converting everything to metric like we used to have to do a few years back when the local chamber of commerce fell on stores like ours like a ton of bricks, insisting that they comply with the law and use metric dimensions for everything.

For a while they had to label everything made in the USA with a tiny label advising the purchaser that the contents did not conform to the EU metricised measurement system, and that the builder bought the product at his own risk.

After a while the keen young member of the chamber of commerce was moved somewhere else, and we all went back to imperial measurements. After all, if it says 1/4 square, we ALL know that means 6.5mm, right? :wink:

tac
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#30

Ron,
This is very informative. How the heck did you cut the window openings so precisely?
Thanks,
Dave

#31

Terry,
That is very interesting. I thought that the metric system had been in use over there forever. After all thats what the government told us when they rammed it through here in Canada. No gradual phase in, just switch and use. Fortunatly lumber and hobby woods still sell by the old measurements.
Dave,
I first draw the windows directly on the cardstock sides with a 4H pencil (very hard). They are cut the old fashioned way with an Xacto #11 blade and a metal straight edge. Change the blade often because the card dulls the tip quickly. Probably two blades per side. And lots of patience.
Ron

#32
Ron Spencer said:
Terry, That is very interesting. I thought that the metric system had been in use over there forever. After all thats what the government told us when they rammed it through here in Canada. No gradual phase in, just switch and use. Fortunatly lumber and hobby woods still sell by the old measurements. Dave, I first draw the windows directly on the cardstock sides with a 4H pencil (very hard). They are cut the old fashioned way with an Xacto #11 blade and a metal straight edge. Change the blade often because the card dulls the tip quickly. Probably two blades per side. And lots of patience. Ron
Ron - the UK went metric in 1971 and changed the currency to the usual decimal system. However, apart from some weights - still in pounds and ounces [underneath the metric] it is still VERY strongly imperial over here and in Northern Ireland.

Distances on road signs and car speedo’s are still in miles and although gasoline is sold in litres, nobody gives a s**t what a litre is as it is so darn expensive that we buy it in pounds sterling. Nobody talks about vehicle economy except in miles per gallon, as we don’t use kilometres it is pointless to ask how many litres our car does per hundred km - the usual measure in purely metric countries. We sell eggs in half dozens - I’ve never seen eggs packaged in fives - milk is still sold in pint bottles, and to tell the truth you would never know that this is a metric country.

…no more is Canada. If you ask any of my family there [and all of them grew up in metric Canada] - they’ll tell you that distances are all in miles or hours. I’m 1.79m tall, but every body knows I’m 5’ 10". I weigh 86 kg, but everybody knows I REALLY weigh 13stone 10.

Older folks don’t use it at all - they point at stuff and ask for as many as they want - asking somebody for 500gr of bacon is stupid.

The only people on the island who actually DO measure in metric, quite accidentally as it happens, are the Welsh. The mile in Welsh is Milltir - the old Welsh term for the Roman mile of one thousand paces. The Welsh yard - Llath - is also used as a portmanteau term for the usual old-fashioned imperial yard.

I guess you could say that we are about as metric as we want to be, and far more metric than we would like to be.

I shoot and play with cars, and I tell ya that muzzle velocity is measured in feet per second, NOT metres per second, muzzle energy is measured in foot pounds, NOT Joules, bullets and powder are measured in good old-fashioned grains, not grams, and on my cars, the lug nuts are done up to 110 foot pounds, not so many bloody Newton metres, WTF they are.

tac
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#33

Terry,
That is very interesting, I was totally not aware of that. Shows how sometimes we take things for granted without really understanding. Just out of curiosity is Mainland Europe the same or is it more metric? Yes, I realize that most of the people my age (50ish+) still talk in miles, pounds, gallons, etc. But younger people like my children, late 20’s are totally metrizied (is that a word) as they have never known anything else having only had the metric system all through school. Anyway, I digress, this topic is about building rail cars so I am going to get back to that.
Ron

#34
Terry A de C Foley said:
I shoot and play with cars, and ...
Why do you shoot cars? ;)
#35
Ron Spencer said:
Terry, That is very interesting, I was totally not aware of that. Shows how sometimes we take things for granted without really understanding. Just out of curiosity is Mainland Europe the same or is it more metric? Yes, I realize that most of the people my age (50ish+) still talk in miles, pounds, gallons, etc. But younger people like my children, late 20's are totally metrizied (is that a word) as they have never known anything else having only had the metric system all through school. Anyway, I digress, this topic is about building rail cars so I am going to get back to that. Ron
In all of Europe, only the United Kingdom is partly metricated - everybody else is TOTALLY metric, and has been so for almost the entire part of the last century. True, Sweden and Norway still 'know' their old measurements, but they are not in use, and Germany still sells vegetables by the 'pfund' the old German pound, marked underneath the metric equivalent on some market stalls. In the Republic of Ireland, everybody understands metric, but acres and miles are still everywhere.

tac
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#36
Forrest Scott Wood said:
Terry A de C Foley said:
I shoot and play with cars, and ...
Why do you shoot cars? ;)
V. droll. :I

tac
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#37
Terry A de C Foley said:
Ron - I'm going to file your posts to help me when I make my own set - seeing as how the AMS cars are not going to be sold here any more [seems I missed out on the five that came to the UK...]

tac
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Here too.
Mine have been on order for 2 fricken years now!

#38

Metric has its uses. Recently, at a church bazaar, I was invited to guess the weight of a cake.

I thought ‘about the same as a bag of sugar’ i.e. 2.2Kg. I added an extra. .1 Kg. for luck making it 2.3KG and was surprised I had won. Lovely walnut cake it was. lol

Since decimalization the only women who don’t seem to have made great mistakes in cooking are those who guess amounts and avoid printed or written weights.

#39

If the Great Ship builder had meant us to use the metric system, He would have instructed Noah to use it when building the Ark.

And Goliath of Gath would have been seven feet five inches, and not ‘two cubits and a span’…

tac
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#40

Noah to God…What’s a cubit???

Bob C.