OMG!!! this forum has been hijacked…
How is this possible???
Anyone got a cookie???
Ric Golding said:
Grey brain cells working here, but I think I remember seeing a recent picture of an engine further up that incline than I expected. My original thoughts is that the engine always stayed on the flat and pushed a long string, but a recent picture has changed that thought There really doesn't seem to be a lot of pictures of the building that sat on top of the chutes. Jon, you don't remember that? I think maybe when they took that flat car off the incline that had the trees growing through it.Guys, we have drifted to talking EBT stuff here.
I remember the flat being moved out, that was only a couple of years ago. The didn’t use steam to do it and I don’t even think it was anything heavier than M4, but I don’t remember exactly. It was a post of the EBT list. I am certain at that time they did not take the power up the ramp, or even through the switch as all the ties up there are basically powder. The newly cleared track that allowed them to do it is only held together with gauge bars. No new ties or spikes. I’ll look for pictures.
Andy - it’s OK. We need to keep this thread alive so we can see Bob’s changes in the New Message icon 
Lance Meyers would have been the guy who took the pictures. My best sleuthing says it would have been spring of 2004 when the flat was pulled from the coaling lead. For some reason Lance doesn’t have any 2004 pictures posted. He just skips that year. This is the flat, #119 almost ready for service as a bench car in 2005 - Photo by Lance Meyers…
(http://www.railfanusa.com/pics/mine/ebt/ebt_1357.jpg)
OK - Something doesn’t make sense now. Perhaps 119 was not the flat with the trees growing through it. I just found this Lance Meyers picture of the Odd Fellows Cemetery road crossing just south of the coal dock switch being opened in 2006…
(http://www.railfanusa.com/pics/mine/ebt/ebt_1471.jpg)
So far no luck locating any pictures of the flat being removed from the coal dock lead. EDIT 1 - I corrected some mistakes in the dates. I think I have it sorted out now. EDIT 2 - Upon further review, I don’t think 119 was the flat pulled from the woods. I think it was an extant bench car that was re-built by the Friends. The flat from the woods ended up being decked and used as a flat. Sorry for my senile moment
Jon,
What I was trying to say, is that during the time that the flat was being removed is when an “OLD” picture of a rod steam engine climbing the incline surfaced. The picture was taken when there was still a structure at the top of the tipple. Maybe in a Timber Transfer, maybe just in my grey matter. Kevin may remember something of this.
Jon
I have it on good authority from Tony W. that it is not a senile moment, but merely a brain fade. It could happen to anybody.
Mad Cow
Ric Golding said:
Jon,What I was trying to say, is that during the time that the flat was being removed is when an “OLD” picture of a rod steam engine climbing the incline surfaced. The picture was taken when there was still a structure at the top of the tipple. Maybe in a Timber Transfer, maybe just in my grey matter. Kevin may remember something of this.
Oh - That’s different :o I don’t remember seeing that. See above post.
OK - I posted on the EBT list about the picture. They responded almost instantly…
"Ray Davidowski" said:
To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [EBTL:] Speaking of old photos...To the Mines and Back, page 15. #15 on the lead.
Nice work Bart
The flat that was removed turned out to be #108. It was the last car in a string of 15 cars spotted on the coal dock lead. They were pulled out 3 at a time in June of 2006 by 25 Ton M-4 to allow flat #108, 4 Bay #1074 and 3 Bay #920 to be switched out and moved into the yard for restoration.
The amazing part is that the only new ties were under the coal dock switch. All the rest were over 50 years old and untreated. Most of them are just dust. The track was supported on this dust and held together by gauge bars. At the time an FEBT member said
"Jim Vliet" said:OK Andy - You can have your thread back. I think the new improved green check mark looks good. Can you see it ?
M-4 weighs 12 tons [on 4 wheels] and an empty hopper about 12.5 tons [on 8 wheels], that seems like a lot of weight on rails supported only by gauge bars.
Psssssst, Jon, wasn’t my thread to start with… We all took it from Tom…
But, it’s ok, Tom shares…
Geeze - Corrected AGAIN :o That’s twice in this thread I’ve been completely wrong. I’m going back to bed.
So - How are those icons doing ?
That’s the picture. There is a lot of history in that photo. You’d have to see what the area looks like today to truely understand how much all of it has changed. And its even changing now, compared to the last 8 years. As the slag pile is gone, the trees have been cut away from growing through the rolling stock and now I understand they have cleaned out the base of the coal loading dock that used to be full of rattle snakes. Time marches on.
Ric Golding said:It would be nice, if it tried to stay in step, tho..... :)
Time marches on.
I heard that Time marches to a different drummer.