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Mr Obama comes out of the closet with his Arab pals

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#1

I cannot even begin to say how disapppointed and angry I am to read this this evening - Mr Obama sucks up to the Hamas/Fatah-led Palestinians -

From today’s issue of www.newsIsrael.com -

Tuesday, Nov 4 '08, Cheshvan 6, 5769

Obama Backs Dividing Jerusalem

Sen. Barack Obama told PA Chairman and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas this summer that he supports a PA state and Arab rights in eastern Jerusalem.

  1. Obama Backs Dividing Jerusalem
    by Hana Levi Julian

Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama privately expressed his support for a new Arab state within Israel’s current borders, including eastern Jerusalem, during his meeting with Palestinian Authority Chairman and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah this summer.

According to a report published Tuesday in the Lebanese newspaper al-Ahbar, Obama told Abbas that he supports a PA state, and Arab “rights to east Jerusalem” as well. The sources said Abbas and PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad “heard the best things they ever heard from an American president” during the meeting. However, said sources quoted in the report, the candidate asked them to keep his declaration a secret.

PA spokesman Nimar Hamad said he had no comment on the remarks, other than to describe the briefing Abbas and Fayyad had given to the presidential hopeful.

“The Palestinian Authority views the American elections as an internal matter and does not favor one person over another,” he said in an official statement. “The PA hopes that the next American president will fulfill his commitment towards the Palestinians and pressure Israel.”

Click here for continuation of this story.’

Those of you who are going to vote for this momser, I hope you really know what you are voting for.

His true colours?

Who knows.

His true loyalties?

Take a good guess.

tac

#2

That link doesn’t work, calls up some kind of dummy shopping site

But really, do you guys ever stop to look at the credibility of the sources? This is from, I guess–the link doesn’t work–an Israeli newspaper quoting a lebanese newspaper quoting someone un-name who claims he heard it from Abbas. Abbas told him Obama said it had to be a secret.

That’s credible? Especially when I think you would argue that Abbas is untrustworthy?

meanwhile, Obama’s official position on Israel and the Middle East is extremely clear

From his campaign website:

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/#onisrael

"On Israel

* Ensure a Strong U.S.-Israel Partnership: Barack Obama and Joe Biden strongly support the U.S.-Israel relationship, believe that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the Middle East. They support this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.

* Support Israel's Right to Self Defense: During the July 2006 Lebanon war, Barack Obama stood up strongly for Israel's right to defend itself from Hezbollah raids and rocket attacks, cosponsoring a Senate resolution against Iran and Syria's involvement in the war, and insisting that Israel should not be pressured into a ceasefire that did not deal with the threat of Hezbollah missiles. He and Joe Biden believe strongly in Israel's right to protect its citizens.

* Support Foreign Assistance to Israel: Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently supported foreign assistance to Israel. They defend and support the annual foreign aid package that involves both military and economic assistance to Israel and have advocated increased foreign aid budgets to ensure that these funding priorities are met. They have called for continuing U.S. cooperation with Israel in the development of missile defense systems."
#3

Its too late now!

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-Brian :stuck_out_tongue:

#4

Mike,

You said - "meanwhile, Obama’s official position on Israel and the Middle East is extremely clear

From his campaign website:

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/fo … /#onisrael"

You are asking people to believe a campaign promise? Come on, even you need to do better than that.

#5

“Even me?”

Well, which seems more credible to you–a broken link which seems to record heresay from un-named sources?

Or the official campaign website?

I don’t expect any politician to live up to all his or her promises, and I didn’t say that I did. I just pointed out that his official, publicly stated position is there for all to see, while what Terry posted was unreliable heresay at best.

Agreeing that no politician’s campaign promises are entirely reliable, which do you think is the more credible source?

I mean, think about it. A newspaper in Israel which I’ve never heard of, and which does not appear to have a functioning website, quotes a lebanese newspaper I’ve never heard of, which in turn quotes an un-named source who claims that he heard from Abbas that Obama was secretly pro-palestinian, but that Obama told Abbas it was a secret.

Seriously Ric, which looks more credible to you?

I keep saying, it’s not like I think Obama is some kid of perfect politician or a hero or a saint. Politicians always promise us things they cant actually deliver. But people are always accusing him here of being this or that based on some cobbled together crap, like this story of Terry’s.

Assessing the credibility of sources is what i do for a living, it’s what I teach kids in class. Can this source be trusted? Which is the more reliable source? I mean, really–which is more reliable here? What he actually committed to in print on his website, or what some guy said some guys said some guy said Abbas said?

#6
mike omalley said:
"Even me?"

Well, which seems more credible to you–a broken link which seems to record heresay from un-named sources?

Or the official campaign website? …

… Can this source be trusted? Which is the more reliable source? I mean, really–which is more reliable here? What he actually committed to in print on his website, or what some guy said some guys said some guy said Abbas said?


Dang Mikey, sounds kind of like the people defending Richard Nixon against “Deep Throat”, don’t it? I guess it’ll all come out in the wash eventually.

#7

Personally I’d sooner believe the contents of a Marvel comic than the promises of any election manifesto, but there ya go.

Tell ya what, Mr O’Malley - why don’t you just watch Mr Obama wriggling on this Youtube interview, and let folks make their own minds up about my ‘crap’ story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVWB10Tzbo

tac

#8

I don’t think anyone that uses the NY Times as a source is in any position to start questioning the validity of other sources…

#9
Terry A de C Foley said:
Personally I'd sooner believe the contents of a Marvel comic than the promises of any election manifesto, but there ya go.

Tell ya what, Mr O’Malley - why don’t you just watch Mr Obama wriggling on this Youtube interview, and let folks make their own minds up about my ‘crap’ story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yVWB10Tzbo

tac
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I did watch the video. I did see some back peddling and ambiguity.
I didn’t see anything to support this statement : “Obama Backs Dividing Jerusalem”
None the less, I can understand your concern.
Ralph

#10

Mike,

You said - “Assessing the credibility of sources is what i do for a living, it’s what I teach kids in class. Can this source be trusted? Which is the more reliable source? I mean, really–which is more reliable here? What he actually committed to in print on his website, or what some guy said some guys said some guy said Abbas said?”

Next thing your going to say is that you tell your students that you are a professor and what you teach them is the truth. You should never forget, those students just want the grade and to get out of there. They will tell you what you want to hear, so you don’t screw up their GPA. The truth is never a requirement or a goal. Completion of the course is all that is desired or necessary.

#11

The video is a much better piece of evidence, but it contradicts what the newspaper said, So if you want to argue that Obama is wishy washy on Israel, then you have a better argument. That’s my only point here–that you want credible evidence before making charges