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Model Railroad Dismantled

Have you read a story like this before or been involved in similar story? It was published in thenewstribune.com in the Tacoma, WA, area by Larry LaRue:

BELOVED TRAIN WITHHISTORY AS LONG AS ITS TRACK IS SILENTLY DISMANTLED

When she was a little girl, Skip Young was given two trains by her father one Christmas. She wasn’t allowed to touch either one.

“My father would set them up and run them,” Young recalled. “I may have been too young to play with them, but I was too young to know that. I was a frustrated railroader from then on. I because the train lady.”

Back in 1980, she partnered with another frustrated model railroader, Ken Gentili. He designed the track, using realistic elevations on a corkscrew path. Young handled the scenery and structures.

The Corkscrew Northern Railroad was born in Young’s Tacoma basement but quickly outgrew it.

“We had to move it out while we still could,” she said.

At birth, the CNR model was 4x8 ft. A year later, when it was shown at the model railroaders national show in California, it weighed 500 pounds.

Over the next decade, dozens of modelers worked on the CNR, and it made regular appearances at mall shows and at the Puyallup Fair. By 1984, it was shown all over the Northwest and was so large it had to be hauled in a flatbed truck.

“It because a community railroad,” Gentili said. “It was displayed in four National Model Railroad Shows, at the Pacific Science Center, The Western Washington Fair, the Tacoma Mall, and multiple local mall shows.”

In 1991, Gentili and Young found a home for their train, which by then included cities and ponds, train yards and mountains.

It went to the Gonyea Boys & Girls Club in Tacoma.

“Master modelers developed a curriculum and worked with children on learning to engage in a structured group activity,” Gentili said. “We gave the children an opportunity to use and respect extremely high quality and expensive equipment.”

The CNR was on load to the club, and everyone seemed pleased.

“Skip and I owned it,” Gentili said. “We wanted it housed somewhere where we could continue to have modelers work on it, have it seen and used by kids and others.”

Gentili and Young found a partnership with the youth organization that lasted for years. But in the late ‘90s, the train programs stopped.

The railroaders blamed the cold weather and an unheated outbuilding.

The Boys & Girls Club said interest was fading.

Over the years, the club needed storage space. It began to use the outbuilding, filling stuff around the model railroad.

The Corkscrew Northern’s last hurrah was in summer 2004 when girls from the club ran the railroad in preparation for a National Model Railroad show, Gentili said.

For the six years before that, and seven ears after, the CNR lay in the outbuilding with so many other stored items, modelers couldn’t access it."

It took up a lot of space, what with its 35 bridges and 375 feet of track. The model consisted of 22 sections, which, when assembled, required a room at least 23.5’ by 42’.

In January 2011, a club spokesperson said. Young and Gentili were told the railroad had to find a new home.

“We agreed to work together,” Gentili said.

That summer, one club official found a potential site – the Old Cannery Furniture Warehouse in Sumner. The business was interested but wouldn’t grant unlimited access to railroad modelers to continue working on it.

The deal fell through.

A year after its initial request, the Boys and Girls Club asked again for the railroad to be moved. The club says it told Young and Gentili it had to happen in the next six months. Gentili insists that there was no deadline.

The railroaders looked for the perfect spot, and the club kept waiting.

Last October, a spokeswoman said the Boys and Girls Club took action. More than 20 months after asking that the model railroad be moved, the Club disposed of it and the CNR ceased to exist.

“We dispersed as much of it as we could and got rid of the pieces that were unusable,” said spokeswoman Jinnie Hanson.

Apparently no one told Gentili. He said he got members of the LeMay Family Collection Foundation interested in January and wanted to show them the railroad. Gentili called the club to arrange a visit - and was told there was nothing left to see.

“I was flabbergasted,” he said. “It wasn’t theirs. We weren’t even consulted.”

Gentili drove to Young’s home to give her the news.

“I’m sick over it,” Young said recently. “They told us we had to move it and we understood. But it’s large, and it wasn’t easy to find a place to move it where it could fit and be enjoyed. People who worked on it over the years died, and we put memorials to them in the model.

“All that is gone now? It’s just hard to believe.”

Doesn’t matter which side is right. The train doesn’t stop here anymore.

Unfortunately to most people model trains have no percieved value. To the builders they are priceless but so much junk to others. Sad that something with so much effort can be so easily discarded by others. I have read this happen to a lot of layouts, grandpa passes on and no one wants or cares about the layout he spent years building. Sad…

A sad story.

I second what Vic wrote. I have bought a lot of used equipment through the years, on Ebay, Craigslist, yard sales etc… and have seen this many times where Grampa died and no one cares about the trains.

So sell them off. Rest assured that these trains will be cared for again and enjoyed.

A sad story that makes you wonder what a non train person would have deemed valuable and the rest was tossed.

It is a sad story, but it seems the article was written to put the Boys and Girls Club in a bad light. They gave the members more than ample time to find another place for it (20 months).

It too bad it was taken down but, no one cared enough to take care of it, otherwise it would have never been in such disrepair. It is sad to see a work of art go, but dont blame the Boys and Girls Club for it.

My comments were of a general nature not specific to any groups. The article does say they dispursed what parts they could before disposing of the rest. I also agree that with no real effort being made to remove it after so much time the clubs were within their rights to do it themselves. Its just I have read those kind of stories where the owner passes and the next of kin have no interest at all in preserving the layout or are overwhelmed by the prospect, in either case they often dump alot on ebay or dumpster it wholesale. While that may not be the case here it does remind me of it.

On the opposite side of the fence. I’ve been looking at christmas displays for idea’s. I’ll be doing one at the Garden Center where I’m currently employed. I’ve enclosed a link and a clip from an email from my brother-in law about a display he was able to visit.

http://www.bevellshardware.com/TrainDisplay.aspx

“Yes, Bevells is a very large o scale display put up from Oct thru Jan. It is actually a hardware store and the trains occupy the space usually reserved for lawn equipment. He recently expanded the display by 25% by buying another layout and incorporating it into the existing one. They had to use a lowboy to transport it 60 miles then remove 3 plate glass windows to get the display into the store! Its not all scale but creates an exciting experience. Put it on your calendar for this fall.”

I believe I came to terms with this phenomenon very early on when I took up the hobby.

Much to my initial disappointment and hurt I discovered there’s nothing in this world less interesting or of less value than somebody else’s hobby. (Unless of course you die and your hobby is a coin or stamp collection which is actually measurably worth something in cash.)

I learned to like my hobby for myself. Anybody else who might be interested, however briefly, I share with them happily…then I go back in my shell!

Sad as it is to me personally, I don’t expect my railroad, at whatever stage it ends up being in, and I am a long way from a work of art right now, certainly nowhere near Vic and some of the others here, to outlast me.

Funny…I had a self appointed representative of a self appointed Neighborhood association demand that I remove my railroad because she didn’t like looking at it… Note that my actual neighbors think its pretty neat and come around anytime I’m out there fiddling, and there are no regulation or ordinances that say that I can’t build a railroad in my backyard

…She was new to town, one of those…this is the way we did it in Yuppieville types…and apparently didn;t realize that I know the entire city council, used to be married to the City Clerk who is now married to the Police Chief, and that I pulled the current Mayor out of a burning building and saved her granddaughter from choking…

T’was a priceless look on her face when she told me she would bring me before the City Council and I told her " No you won’t" Needless to say she did not leave happy…And interestingly she nor her “Association” have been active lately…

Bart Salmons said:

Funny…I had a self appointed representative of a self appointed Neighborhood association demand that I remove my railroad because she didn’t like looking at it… Note that my actual neighbors think its pretty neat and come around anytime I’m out there fiddling, and there are no regulation or ordinances that say that I can’t build a railroad in my backyard

Wow! For her, I would have to modify my original rule that, “There is nothing less interesting than somebody else’s hobby,” to “There’s nothing more offensive than somebody else’s hobby!”

Hehehe I forgot to add…this is the THIRD such incident I’ve had…the first was with a County Code Enforcement Official that severly overstepped his authority, and ended up being escort off the property by the Sheriff…t’other was a former neighbor who just objected to me being out in my backyard period because his dog barked alot…

It always amazes me that people leave a place because of what it became, and then try to turn their new home into the place they left. I don’t get it.

Me too Steve we get that down here on Cape Cod. People retire here and sometimes bring their big city thinking with them and being retired they have the time to try and “improve” the place. Things move slowly here and it is a good thing because things don’t change easily.

I have a neighbor that is a total deuche. There is a 6 foot stockade fence that seperates us but I can still look into his backyard from several spots. I’m usually out on the RR all times of year and he doesn’t give me the time of day. He probably thinks I’m standing there watching his girlfriend when I’m actually watching my trains. I know he has seen me carrying trains out the side door and he is not the least bit curious about them or anything at all. Some people are just jerks.

I’d like to think that the OP’s layout he was talking about at least part of it found a good home and it wasn’t just trashed.

One mans junk is another mans treasure.

The one thing I didn’t see mentioned was a final “this is it or its garbage”. Even if they used the last 30 days of the original “has to happen in the next six months”, it still would have been just plain decent to give a 30-day notice.

As for the… woman… Bart, you should have said… okay, I’ll invite everyone over for a cookout and operating session.

Didn’t mean to imply that you were getting on the Club’s case Vic. I was commenting on the article.

On the other part. I hate neighbors, thats why my closest is a 1/2 mile away and I’m surrounded by Forest Service on three sides. I dont have to worry about Homeowners assn.

as sad, as it is, but our hobby is an “old man” hobby.

and the only chance to evade (or postpone) the otherways inevitable dismantling of our layouts the moment we don’t move around anymore - would be a living pardner, who is in the hobby as well.

but do we want that? i for my part wouldn’t be happy, if somebody would boss me around, where to put which building, etc.

my trainroom is like a wild-west fortress. let the indians/family ride around outside and yell as much as they want. but if they come in, they have to behave.

and after my death, let em burn it down, if they want!

Many of us have trouble with neighbors and trains. My neighbor filed a complaint with the local planning board. The issue was not the trains but the local kids playing trains upset her dog. I suggested I would keep the kids away while the dog was out as long as she kept the dog from continously barking when there were no kids or have it permanently removed. She was so caught up in getting her way she voluntarily agreed. Guess what no more dog to deal with!

Korm Kormsen said:

as sad, as it is, but our hobby is an “old man” hobby.

You calling me old then Korm?

Actually that statement is not true IMO. From what I have witnessed around Rics Timesaver the past few years, children have killer memories …whether they grasp hold on not when they get old. We were all born naked but the thought of us all being born naked and OLD is scary!

That make sense ?

Shut up Rooster

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Jake Smith said:

Didn’t mean to imply that you were getting on the Club’s case Vic. I was commenting on the article.

On the other part. I hate neighbors, thats why my closest is a 1/2 mile away and I’m surrounded by Forest Service on three sides. I dont have to worry about Homeowners assn.

Im lucky that my two neighbors are friendly but also grew up in the area. I know others with the same problems. The city people (we call city people cityidiots aka city-its) Im also lucky that I have stetae park lands all around me.

The best way to cure them of country life is set up a day of target practice with your friends or during hunting season hang your deer in your front yard. The looks you get is priceless haha. And there is nothing the town could do.

Yep, rooster, i’m calling you old for two reasons:

  1. because of your avatar. you don’t look very vital there…

  2. in the sense, that you have a hobby, that most of us do not give up, when we get elder. unlike playing football, mountainclimbing etc. modelrailroaders tend to stay in the hobby for the rest of their lives.

hence an old man’s hobby - so by definition you are integrated in the group of old men

;-p