Doug Arnold said:Probably in for the winter. Dont forget water freezes. Oh wait your a desert guy Lol.
And where's the water barrels?
Thanks for all the responses guys. This site is a lot of fun. Well, in looking through all the prototype photos I can find of the Little River Rail Road there just are not water barrels, or guard rails or much of anything in the construction of their logging trestles.
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I guess all the good oak was used for the important barrels of Jack Black like you guys figured.
Doc Tom
They just figured if a trestle burned they could take a break and empty a barrel…or two…or…
Tom Grabenstein said:
Thanks for all the responses guys. This site is a lot of fun. Well, in looking through all the prototype photos I can find of the Little River Rail Road there just are not water barrels, or guard rails or much of anything in the construction of their logging trestles.(http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg412/DrGrab/0403Shay9ObservationCar.jpg)
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I guess all the good oak was used for the important barrels of Jack Black like you guys figured.
Doc Tom
Tom the Logging RR books that I have for the smokies has a lot of trestle pictures and none have guard rails, water barrels. They were very basic. Dont forget why would they go through all the extra work when the tracks would be torn up and moved to another area for cutting. I could see on mainline stuff but backwoods stuff not likley.
Tom Grabenstein said:
Thanks for all the responses guys. This site is a lot of fun.Well, in looking through all the prototype photos I can find of the Little River Rail Road there just are not water barrels, or guard rails or much of anything in the construction of their logging trestles.
Doc Tom
Tom the Logging RR books that I have for the smokies has a lot of trestle pictures and none have guard rails, water barrels. They were very basic. Dont forget why would they go through all the extra work when the tracks would be torn up and moved to another area for cutting. I could see on mainline stuff but backwoods stuff not likley.
Looking good!
Shawn said:
Tom Grabenstein said:
Thanks for all the responses guys. This site is a lot of fun. Well, in looking through all the prototype photos I can find of the Little River Rail Road there just are not water barrels, or guard rails or much of anything in the construction of their logging trestles. Doc TomTom the Logging RR books that I have for the smokies has a lot of trestle pictures and none have guard rails, water barrels. They were very basic. Dont forget why would they go through all the extra work when the tracks would be torn up and moved to another area for cutting. I could see on mainline stuff but backwoods stuff not likley.
I agree Shawn, very crude and very simple. Here are a couple of shots of the actual LRRR construction crews laying track and building a bridge.
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I am amazed that they hauled passenger trains with tourists over this ramshackle track to the resort “Wonderland Hotel” at Elkmont. I guess they just did not have all the safety regulations we have now back then in 1920 Tennessee. I have not figured out how to make reliable pole bents for the trestle as in the prototype pictures and have continued with cut wood for strength…so this first time endeavor of mine does not fall in.
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Doc Tom
Tom I love those old pictures of logging railroads. I have tried making trestles using logs. It can be done but not easy getting nice straight logs with no bumps ect… When your dealing with real life size its much easier because those little bumps in the logs were not a big deal like it is in g scale. Plus the amount we would need for out trestles. One option is taking the wood and rounding the corners and then take a dremel and mark up the sides to look like logs. Again a lot of work. I have been toying with the idea of making trestles with logs as well as making ties with logs.
Shawn said:
Tom I love those old pictures of logging railroads. I have tried making trestles using logs. It can be done but not easy getting nice straight logs with no bumps ect… When your dealing with real life size its much easier because those little bumps in the logs were not a big deal like it is in g scale. Plus the amount we would need for out trestles. One option is taking the wood and rounding the corners and then take a dremel and mark up the sides to look like logs. Again a lot of work. I have been toying with the idea of making trestles with logs as well as making ties with logs.
Shawn, The creation of roughed up logs by the techniques you recommend are very good ideas. The next section of my model Little River Railroad will have extensive cuts in a mountain side with retaining walls. I am going to try your techniques to model the retaining walls as seen in this prototype LRRR picture.
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Thanks for the inspiration!!! Doc Tom
Even though I’m building a mining railroad and not a logging one I’m really enjoying the pictures.
I too had hoped to build a corral using logs and finally went with cut wood for the poles. The “logs” for cross pieces worked fine because of the style of fence.
I got horses for it at the club dinner this week so maybe I’ll get a picture posted this weekend.
We had a storm that “brushed us” yesterday and then had a nice day.
Today it’s raining! Go figure!
Doug Arnold said:
Even though I’m building a mining railroad and not a logging one I’m really enjoying the pictures. I too had hoped to build a corral using logs and finally went with cut wood for the poles. The “logs” for cross pieces worked fine because of the style of fence. I got horses for it at the club dinner this week so maybe I’ll get a picture posted this weekend. We had a storm that “brushed us” yesterday and then had a nice day. Today it’s raining! Go figure!
Hi Doug, Glad you like all the pictures. It is fun to actually see what other modelers are thinking about and doing. I am always looking at the photos here to get an idea about basics like what “scale” plants are in use etc. Looking forward to seeing your pictures of the corral and the horses. The LRRR and logging out fit used horses and mules to “snake” logs to the “landing” particularly in the early days of logging. These teams of beasts were gradually phased out with the increasing use of steam powered “high line” cable movement of logs from the slopes to the landings. Here is a neat shot of the four legged movement of logs on the prototype Little River RR. These pictures are from the Little River RR museum and website http://www.littleriverrailroad.org/.
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Doc Tom
Loggers here in the West often still use High Lines only today they have gasoline engines!
Now that the sun is up the rain has stopped but since the snow level is “low” it’s windy and cold.
Loggers in the Northwest often used Shays and the full-size one could almost run on anything. Some of them actually used logs for rail!
Tom
Using logs for the walls will look great. Soak them in some sort of sealer to keep them from rotting. I have a few spots that needs walls and want to do it the same way.
The Kittatinny mountains was heavily logged. They didnt have any logging railroads most of the timber was moved by horse or the delaware River. They would tie the logs together and then someone would ride ontop with a large pole. They had a name for them but I forget. A lot of guys lost there lives doing that. We also had a lot of sawmills in the area for log cutting. Most of the RR in my area were for passenger and dairy. The Iron industry was also big as well as ther charcoal industry.
Tom and Shawn,
There was an article a long time ago, I believe it was in either MR or RMC, on making log ties for a narrow gauge railroad. The author took dried brush (it was an O scale line if memory is right), clamped one end and used a belt sander to flatten one side. He then glued the ties down on the layout and again belt sanded the tops flat.
An alternate method for us large scalers (if you want to put in the effort) might be to cut the ties to length, clamp them in an end vise and use a plane to flatten one side. A fixture to rip the other side on the table saw to get the other side might be an option, or the belt sander again. I have been toying with this concept for some time but never got going with it.
Food for thought.
Bob C.
Bob Cope said:
Tom and Shawn,There was an article a long time ago, I believe it was in either MR or RMC, on making log ties for a narrow gauge railroad. The author took dried brush (it was an O scale line if memory is right), clamped one end and used a belt sander to flatten one side. He then glued the ties down on the layout and again belt sanded the tops flat.
An alternate method for us large scalers (if you want to put in the effort) might be to cut the ties to length, clamp them in an end vise and use a plane to flatten one side. A fixture to rip the other side on the table saw to get the other side might be an option, or the belt sander again. I have been toying with this concept for some time but never got going with it.
Food for thought.
Bob C.
Bob great idea. Ill have to give it try. Will no doubt make it easier.
Bob Cope said:
Tom and Shawn,There was an article a long time ago, I believe it was in either MR or RMC, on making log ties for a narrow gauge railroad. The author took dried brush (it was an O scale line if memory is right), clamped one end and used a belt sander to flatten one side. He then glued the ties down on the layout and again belt sanded the tops flat.
An alternate method for us large scalers (if you want to put in the effort) might be to cut the ties to length, clamp them in an end vise and use a plane to flatten one side. A fixture to rip the other side on the table saw to get the other side might be an option, or the belt sander again. I have been toying with this concept for some time but never got going with it.
Food for thought.
Bob C.
Bob,
That is a good idea. Thanks for the input.
TomHAPPY THANKSGIVING from Little River country. Colonel Townsend stopped the Little River Railroad motor car at the Black Gum road crossing to get ready for a Thanksgiving feast up the line in Elkmont.
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It seems that each year there is a great spread of food at the Wonderland Hotel in Elkmont as way of giving thanks for the year’s blessings. Colonel Townsend wanted to do his part and is purchasing fresh rainbow trout right out of the Little River and Fresh eggs for all the baking and frying that will be done come Thanksgiving day.
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Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. Enjoy your families and friends. Doc Tom
Thanks Doc. Keep up the great work and run some trains this holiday! Happy holiday!
Thanksgiving on the Little River Rail Road Mr Zach paid a visit to Little River Country this past Thanksgiving. He wanted to run his favorite lokie and trackage rights were granted.
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He also wanted a VIP to use his RR pass and take a ride out on The Nelson’s Gap trestle.
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I hope you all had a good time with your family and friends. Doc Tom
…:)…
I have a Zachariah myself
