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Link and Pin-w/ Air Brakes?

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#1

So I got us a few HLW flats to use as log cars on the NBRR behind the Climax…Deep down inside I really want to use link and pin couplers for these cars and loco. Here is the link again to my visit with the Climax in Brevard: [url=http://rides.webshots.com/album/558870476GmhldH]

[/url] No Brake Piping there! So, should I remove the piping from the bottom of the cars as well? then add body mount L&P couplers on all? How well do L&P work on the Climax, I understand I may have to re work some stuff? thanks cale

#2

Link and Pins work great on geared engines.

#3

Ok…Airbrakes were an option…not a standard…If I’m not mistaken Climax No7 is an Ex Ely Thomas narrowgauge loco and WV Alumni…ET didn;lt have airbrakes on its NG stuff…however the Westside routinely used LNPs and AB gear…so Its really a choice of what ya want…personally I’d leave the gear on there… Does your Climax have a air compressor on it?

#4

Allmy log cars use L & P couplers, except for the 2 on each end. The have kadee’s so they can be used behind any loco. The log cars all stay together, sorta like a unit train.

(http://www.trainweb.org/rgs/layout0004.jpg)

#5

Depends on the era you’re modeling–or at least the era during which your flat cars were built. Prior to 1900, air brakes would have been a rarity on a narrow gauge car, but if the railroad was classified as a common carrier (some logging lines were, others weren’t), then they would have to have automatic brakes and couplers by the 1910s.

If you’re modeling the post-1910 era and running link-and-pin couplers, then your railroad would exempt from gov’t oversight relative to safety appliances, and you can do whatever you want. If your railroad got these flat cars second hand, then it’s very likely that they would have had air brakes on them from the previous owner. This was quite common in the 20s and 30s as narrow gauge lines folded and sold their equipment for whatever they could get.

Later,

K

#6

Yeah what Kevin said…lessee…when did the EBT finally give in after threatening to Standard Gauge?

#7

Well, they started their fight in 1908, after the 1893 Railroad Safety Appliances Act was amended to actually give the government the authority to go after non-compliant railroads. They finally acquiesced to the government in 1913, and began putting automatic couplers and air brakes on their equipment. Their argument was that because they didn’t actually interchange equipment with the PRR due to the differing gauge, that they qualified as an industrial line and were exempt from the government’s regulations. But since they carried passengers, general freight, etc., that argument didn’t hold much water. They didn’t threaten to standard gauge, as that would have rendered their argument moot. They would definitely have had to add safety equipment at that point.

Later,

K

#8

Another example of corporate greed trying to avoid keeping workers safe!

:smiley: :lol:

#9

There was a logging line up in N. Cal somewhere, I forget the name of it, but they slipped by under the “industrial RR” exemption until the late 50’s. Then a government inspector saw it and had a cow, because the line was incorporated as a common carrier. Since the RR was pretty marginal by that time, after losing a brief fight with the feds they just threw in the towel and abandoned the RR.

#10

Sounds suspiciously like the Swayne Lumber co…

#11

The East Branch and Lincoln logging RR in NH had link and pin until the end of operations in the 1950s. Their ‘non-log’ cars (flats, camp cars) all had air brakes. The switchers at the mill had knuckles for switching out interchanged cars. Note this pic from the 1940s, the couplers are slotted for L&P

(http://www.logginginlincoln.com/EB&L%20Gove%20Gallery/East%20Branch%20and%20Lincoln%20Railroad/images/lincoln021.jpg)

#12

Cale Nelson said:
So I got us a few HLW flats to use as log cars on the NBRR behind the Climax…Deep down inside I really want to use link and pin couplers for these cars and loco. Here is the link again to my visit with the Climax in Brevard: [url=http://rides.webshots.com/album/558870476GmhldH][url]

(http://thumb1.webshots.net/t/53/753/0/7/45/2793007450077781541hPQLQJ_th.jpg)

[/url][/url] No Brake Piping there! So, should I remove the piping from the bottom of the cars as well? then add body mount L&P couplers on all? How well do L&P work on the Climax, I understand I may have to re work some stuff? thanks cale

Hi Cale, Where in Brevard is the Climax? I would like to go see it. Ralph

#13

Ralph…right outside of Brevard…just past my favorite campground “Davidson River”

http://www.cradleofforestry.com/

Train History Day
Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:00:00 AM to 4:00:00 PM
Location: Cradle of Forestry


Come learn about the 1915 Climax logging train on display at the Cradle of Forestry, and how it wound its way through the forest coves of western North Carolina for over 40 years during the Nation's pioneering era of forestry and timber harvesting.

Learn about the old logging trains of our region. Enjoy a presentation by WNC train historian Jerry Ledford at 10:30 a.m. and again at 2:00 p.m. featuring historical photographs, stories about the men who earned their livlihoods aboard the trains, and tips about where to find remnants of the original railroad system that once traversed the forest. Each presentation will be followed by a guided walk along the Forest Festival Trail to see the Cradle of Forestry's 1915 Climax logging locomotive. Climb on board and become a part of history by ringing the bell! 


just found that above, too close to #4 birth...yall go for me!


cale
#14

Thanks Cale,
I’ve been to the area many times including Sliding Rock and even the campground. Didn’t know the COF had the Climax.
I’ll be working so I’ll miss History Day. But I’ll make sure I make it up there soon.
Ralph