Bachmann’s Lil Big Haulers were not supposed to arrive till mid Oct. (but Al Kramer is shipping them now!) but I wouldn’t expect the Toytrain lineup to arrive any sooner than mid Oct but hopefully well before Xmas. Seams like it would be really dumb for Marklin to fail to get them available for the Xmas sales, especially when they already have all the tooling, molds, etc. Some of these (ex: crane car) have already been offered as part of the general product line so its not like they had to do everything from scratch like Bachmann.