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LGB 23232 "Chunky 0-4-0" report

This loco is a real chunk and comes in a number of versions 0-4-0 or 0-4-2, with and without sound.
I have the 0-4-0 with sound activated by track magnets. It is one of the layout favorites.
I reported earlier the mystery as to why the heavy noise of the motor/gears in reverse but not forward.
The latest is…
The loco has been throughly lubed and evaluated by current LGB management – no luck in determining the source of the sound. That’s after new gears, the motor evaluated, and a through lubing.
So any other owner/users with the same mystery? Perhaps not a critical issue, just a strong curiousity why loco direction would be the determining feature of this yet to be indentified cause.

Wendell

Just like Microsoft… it ain’t a bug, it’s an “undocumented special feature”

Wendell I had the same issue with my Value starter set 0-4-0 but going forward. Does the bottom get very warm to hot? That was one of the other things I noticed on mine. I just assumed the motor was on its way out.

Shawn-
Puzzling, any of the “usual” symptoms of motor problems - heated motor block, etc. - don’t show. My guess is the cut of the gears simply don’t accomodate reversing quietly. My imagination?
The loco is a favorite and my hopes are mine is an exception as to any problems. A reinvigorated LGB would profit from this loco being the showpiece, as was the Stainz 0-4-0, for a series of starter sets.

Not particularly helpful, but here’s a quote from a Rolls Royce Advertisement from the 1920’s: “Where there’s noise, there’s wear.”

Or maybe it may be helpful - d’you see any wear anywhere?

John-
Good point.
However, the gears on the axles are black delron (plastic) and no wear discoloration appears. Perhaps it wouldn’t appear anyway because of the color. My theory of the motor working in reverse, with the cut of the gears noisy in reverse, with the noise not occuring in forward motion defies reasoning. The gearing in this instance is the same vs. reverse in a car transmission using different gearing. So why the noise?

I’m betting that something that’s in a comfortable silent position forward slips into a grinding position backward. A shaft missing a bushing perhaps, so it slides to the opposite extreme and there something hits something else. Not likely, but inside the motor if you’re unlucky; more likely visible and accessible elsewhere in the drive chain. Zeroing in on the location could turn out to be a real labor of love, unfortunately. If all else fails, be prepared to take the whole drive of this beloved loco apart and test each component, listening closely. If in a given component you can turn the parts both ways without any grating or rubbing noise it’s OK. If after you’ve tested each part this way and still drawn a blank, then it’s one of the connections between the parts.

I’ve fixed a lot of locos in my time, but I’m not familiar enough with this one to be specific, I’m afraid. I can say that sometimes you need a delicate touch and finely tuned ear to catch these things. On the other hand, you may quickly discover a sliding shaft or a gear that is sliding on its shaft. Another thing to watch out for, especially in a loco that has a lot of run time, is an oval hole or bushing that allows a shaft to shift sideways, or up and down, depending on the direction it’s turning. This is quite common in a worn mech. Less common, but possible, is the same kind of wear for a wheel axle bearing. I’d be on the lookout for all these things as I dismantled the loco.

I take it this is a steady noise, not an intermittent one or one that coincides with the turning of the wheels? In that case I’d be looking for wobble, but if that were an issue by now the wheel would likely be off its axle…

But if the noise has any rhythm to it at all, that’d be a clue of where to look for something eccentric somewhere in the drive.

Good diagnosis sequence from John. No indications of axle wear or movement. Sooooooooo I’ll live with it – unless the stethoscope I can borrow will make the detection. At this point, all is simply the interest in investigation. The loco is relatively new – maybe two hours run time. The niumber 2000 is embossed into the plastic on the bottom of the gear case – it’s a genuine LGB product from China.
Wendell

The simplest solution, then, might be to use it as a road engine exclusively, forward running only. If I didn’t have time to investigate and fix it I could live with that solution myself! I get older, I get lazier… :wink: :cool: