May I congratulate the American People for their very Civilised decision , taken by The People , not to execute a terrorist .
You have shown that you have no need to stoop to their level to overcome oppression .
Well Done America .
sincerely ,
Mike Morgan
Agreed. To have terminated him, despite how good that might have felt at the time, would have martyred him also.
Are we allowed political comment over here? I haven’t been banned yet…
Neil.
As long as it doesn’t clash with someone else’s politics , it’s probably OK ,wink wink , nudge nudge .
Mike
I think the only thing I’d worry about is he’s now a high profile figure and they’ll take somebody hostage demanding his release.
I think Charlie Daniels said it pretty well back in the 1990’s
Simple Man
"I ain’t nothing but a simple man
Call me a redneck, I reckon that I am
But there’s things goin’ on that make me mad down to the core
I have to work like a dog to make ends meet
There’s crooked politicians and crime in the street
And I’m madder than hell and I ain’t gonna take it no more
We tell our kids to just say no
And then some panty waist judge lets a drug dealer go
And he slaps him on the wrist and he turns him back out on the town
Well, if I had my way with people sellin’ dope
I’d take a big tall tree and a short piece of rope
And hang 'em up high and let 'em swing till the sun goes down
Chorus:
Well you know what’s wrong with the world today
People done gone and put their Bibles away
There livin’ by law of the jungle not the law of the land
Well the good book says it, so I know it’s the truth
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
You’d better watch where you go
And remember where you’ve been
That’s the way I see it I’m a simple man
Now, I’m the kind of man that wouldn’t harm a mouse
But if I catch somebody breakin’ in my house
I’ve got a twelve gauge shotgun waitin’ on the other side
So don’t go pushin’ me against my will
I don’t want to have to fight you but I durn sure will
So if you don’t want trouble that you’d better just pass me on by
As far as I’m concerned there ain’t no excuse
For the raping and the killing and the child abuse
And I’ve got a way to put and end to all that mess
You just take those rascals out in the swamp
Put them on their knees and tie 'em to a stump
And let the rattlers and the bugs and the alligators do the rest"
simple man, simple answers to simple problems (evil)
Sometimes I wonder how this song woulda went if it were written in December of 2001?
cale
as to the life sentence…Don’t make him a martyr…there are plenty of prisoners that could do the States job…
…and Tom makes a very!!! good point!
You cannont reason with these types-they don’t care if they live…just as long as You die.
I am generally in favour of the death penalty .
For certain types of terrorism , it does not pay to create martyrs …The argument about hostage taking is not valid , were the victims of the Twin Towers not hostages ?
No , martyrs are good for propaganda , the IRA even made their own by starving to death in prison .
Remember , there is a lot of experience this side of the Atlantic in dealing in terrorism .
Mike
Despite my being an absolute advocate of the death penalty, its the only sure method to stop repeat offenses, I also applaud this verdict.
Not for any moral reason, as what he did surely deserves it, but bevcause it is what he wanted! To be executed as a martyr for Islam was his hope. Having him rot in jail is the best punishment for HIM!
No virgins to soil in the afterlife, no martyr status. Just a common criminal jailed for the rest of his life! McVeigh should have had the same!
Andre’
I’m sure he’ll have a lovely time in the…what do you guys call it??? - the pen? Gaol (Jail) to us.
Just so long as they don’t actually kill him…not too soon anyway.
This knucklehead wanted the death of a Martyr - he’s been denied that he wanted most.
good call
I agree with all of you but the sad part of this whole situation is that the AMERICAN TAX PAYER will now have to foot the bill of $25,000.00 TO $30,000.00 a year for the rest of his life to keep him alive.
Ron
Personally I’m for cruel and unusual punishment…How bout feeding him a diet of pork while forcing him to watch re runs of “Sex in the City”?
Ron ,
A small price to pay , surely ? Worth it with the thought of how he triumphantly shouted America had lost , he obviously did not understand the loyalty of the average American convict . They may be crooks , but they’re American crooks . Just think how he’ll feel each day wondering if he is being fed ground up forbidden fruits , and whether just around the next corner is a cruel and unusual prisoner .
Nah , he’s in the best place . There are other problems in wait for him , but not fit for public viewing .
He’s had it .
Mike
He’s goin’ to a “Super Max” prison. He’ll be in his 6 x 9 foot cell, alone, 23 hours a day. No visitors. He excersises for 1 hour a day, alone, in a small enclosed courtyard. He gets to take 1 shower a week.
There will be a small TV put in after some time, (if he passes his “good behavior” period–usually three years) but the only thing he can watch are cable feeds from the prison on anger management and stuff like that. No regular shows.
There aren’t any artwork, posters, etc allowed for a period of time. Roughly $36,000 a year for us taxpayers.
Everything is concrete and steel, with just a thin mattress pad.
Better than the death penalty.
But, like Tom said, No American is safe overseas, without some whacko sect taking them hostage and demanding his release.
j
Something tells me the extremist groups aren’t going to line up to demand his release. If you believe the prosecution, he’s in the same league as Richard Reid, (the shoebomber) who’s been in SuperMax for a few years now. No one’s seemed to want him back. If you believe the defense, Moussaoui’s a few sandwiches shy of a picnic anyway, and not anywhere near as big a player as folks would believe. Why, then, take hostages to release someone who–even by extremist standards–is an unimportant wacko.
But instead of anger management courses, can’t we make him watch “Dynasty” re-runs instead? Nothing says “American opulence” like the Carrington family.
(Alas, our Constitution does prohibit cruel and unusual punishment…)
BTW, as for cost–it’s typically cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than it is to go through the seemingly endless appeals process of a death sentence. This way, he’s signed, sealed, delivered–and more importantly–off the front page and forgotten.
Later,
K
If ever there was a case that demanded the death penalty, this was it. If he doesn’t get the death penalty, do we still have a viable death sentance?
Still, death is too good for the bugger. Dying with a whimper is what will happen to him. I agree with one of the talking heads I heard recently on the tube. He should be put at hard labor, chain gang style, somewhere in the wilds of Alaska(if they will take him). Large mosquitoes and grizzly bears come to mind as constant tormentors.
As it is, after 15 years or so, he will be drooling spittle on his shirt, his mind gone from the rigors of confinement… :lol:
I would have liked to have been able to listen in on the deliberations of the jury. Did they make a courageous decision? Or did they whimp out?
SteveF aka madwolf
It wasn’t the “American people” as polls show a majority of Americans wanted that rat bastard DEAD! It was, by most accounts, one or two holdouts on the jury. Be that as it may, our judicial system worked the way it was designed to and we have to accept that.
“God curse America, God save Osama bin Laden—you will never get him.” So shouted 9/11 co-conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui when allowed to speak after his sentencing—life in prison without the possibility of parole, in lieu of a possible death sentence. Moussaoui had declared Wednesday that “I won,” to which Judge Leonie Brinkema replied Thursday, “You will spend the rest of your life in a supermax prison. It’s absolutely clear who won.” Indeed, though most Americans, ourselves included, hoped in their gut for execution, Moussaoui would have become a martyr. Instead, he will rot in solitary confinement for the rest of his days. Again, Judge Brinkema is correct: “Mr. Moussaoui, you came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory, but…instead you will die with a whimper.”
23 hours solitary confinement, 1 hour exercise period…I think I’d rather die than live the rest of my life that way.
This morning, I read he asked for a retrial and now he wants to plead not guilty. He says he now understands how the US judicial system works. I guess the walls were already looking close. 
The judge said no retrial or appeal. Sounds like the system is working pretty good to me. May they put his ashes in a football, when the day comes.
In the good ol’ days there was a feller named Judge Roy Bean that would have been most happy to preside of the trial but alas he has departed.
There there was Dirty Harry that had a way with serving justice.
Ah yes the good ol’ days…
My cute, little, quiet wife has come up with this idea or heard about it and totally embraced this idea to stop terrorism by Muslims. For every terrorist suicide bomber and those still fighting the Crusades, it should be well stated that their remains will be packed into pig skins or footballs for burial, which would prevent them from ever finding those 70 virgins. She feels this idea should be carried out and wildly publicisized that that is what will happen. She thinks, she could end the violence in less than 24 hours. I’m won’t challenge her. Yes, that same little gal that willingly feeds all you guys. I learned along time ago, you don’t want to cross her and then think you are going to win. Sometimes, I sleep with one eye open. And she always wins all arguments in our house.