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Just Think of Chicago Politics Nationwide

Coming from the southern part of this state, I thought this should be shared.

Obama says pull out of Iraq!
Perhaps the U.S. Should pull out of Chicago…

Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago;

221 killed in Iraq.

Chicago… Who Runs it:
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

…our leadership in Illinois…all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.

Of course, they’re all blaming each other!

Can’t blame Republicans; they’re aren’t any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. And he’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us!

Not to mention the $160 million He and Ayes funneled into the school system from the Woods Foundation to “fix” the problem.

Ric Golding said:
Perhaps the U.S. Should pull out of Chicago...

Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago;


Yup, but in Chicago every one of 'em can still vote …

Chris Vernell said:
Ric Golding said:
Perhaps the U.S. Should pull out of Chicago...

Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed (murdered) in Chicago;


Yup, but in Chicago every one of 'em can still vote …

Chris, I guess your statement seems funny to people that don’t live in Illinois. I’m glad we could provide you with a laugh. Politics in our county are controllable by the county tavern owner’s association. Yeah most of us don’t think that is funny, either.

Ric,
You make a very good point about Chicago politics. The question is, why has it been this way since before the days of Al Capone?
How did the corrupt powers in Chicago succeed in placing a national candidate on the Presidential ballot ?
The answer is that the current set of crooks have screwed things up so badly that Americans are desperate.
After all, how can anyone screw things up more than they are now?( a rhetorical question )
Ralph

Ralph

“After all, how can anyone screw things up more than they are now?( a rhetorical question )”

Simple answer - Putting a “post turtle” in office.

Well,
The current crooks have looted the financial system, much to the detriment of the middle class and working American.
People hold out hope that a new crook will look out more for their interests. The alternative is to admit there is no hope.
Ralph

Ralph,

“The alternative is to admit there is no hope.”

I think I remember the day I realized that, I believe it was the first day of first grade. Somebody told me that the prison I was forced to attend was going to be fun. I knew it wasn’t and I spent close to the next 16 years serving my time and I never did figure out what I had done wrong. Truely the worst part of my young life. I still cringe when they force my grandson to go in that building. I feel his pain.

Ric Golding said:
Ralph,

“The alternative is to admit there is no hope.”

I think I remember the day I realized that, I believe it was the first day of first grade. Somebody told me that the prison I was forced to attend was going to be fun. I knew it wasn’t and I spent close to the next 16 years serving my time and I never did figure out what I had done wrong. Truely the worst part of my young life. I still cringe when they force my grandson to go in that building. I feel his pain.


I think many of us cling to the sliver of hope that things can change. It makes getting up in the morning easier.
Ralph

Ralph,

You said - “I think many of us cling to the sliver of hope that things can change. It makes getting up in the morning easier.”

The “post turtle” says we are just clinging to our guns and our Bibles.

Ric Golding said:
Ralph,

You said - “I think many of us cling to the sliver of hope that things can change. It makes getting up in the morning easier.”

The “post turtle” says we are just clinging to our guns and our Bibles.


Ric,
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying Obama will be an instrument of change. Both McCain and Obama voted for the bailout.
I’m saying we are SOL either way this time around. As it has been most any other time. But I still hang on to that small chance one day things may be different.
Ralph

Ralph,

I can’t disagree with you in any way. Politicans, by nature, are not people you would keep as friends after they have moved into that World.

Ralph Berg said:
I think many of us cling to the sliver of hope that things can change. It makes getting up in the morning easier. Ralph
"Hope" of change is a good thing, when things aren't going right. HOWEVER, making the WRONG change, just for the sake of change can make things MUCH, MUCH worse.

Obama would make one helluva used car salesman. He could probably even get top dollar for a clapped out Yugo. BUT just like buying a lemon because on the surface it looked good and sounded like a great deal, the deeper I’ve looked, the less I’ve liked what I’ve found.

PLEASE open the hood and put it up on the rack BEFORE you buy (vote) – think REAL hard and ask if is this REALLY the “change” you want for the next Godknowshowmany years.

Mik said:
Ralph Berg said:
I think many of us cling to the sliver of hope that things can change. It makes getting up in the morning easier. Ralph
"Hope" of change is a good thing, when things aren't going right. HOWEVER, making the WRONG change, just for the sake of change can make things MUCH, MUCH worse.

Obama would make one helluva used car salesman. He could probably even get top dollar for a clapped out Yugo. BUT just like buying a lemon because on the surface it looked good and sounded like a great deal, the deeper I’ve looked, the less I’ve liked what I’ve found.

PLEASE open the hood and put it up on the rack BEFORE you buy (vote) – think REAL hard and ask if is this REALLY the “change” you want for the next Godknowshowmany years.


It is hard to imagine that anybody could screw things up more than Bush and his boys. I’m not saying it is not possible, as we are not in the midst of a world wide war.
You are right, Obama is slick.
But McCorpse is just a flat out liar. Yesterday he said there would be no $700 billion bailout for Wall Street under his administration. Hell, the friggin hypocrite voted for the bailout.
I’m no Obama fan either. But at least he is intelligent enough to be slick. After 8 years of one dumb ass, I’m not ready to hand over the reigns for the next four years to another dumb ass who finished dead last in his class at the Naval Academy.
I wish we had better choices. Unfortunately we don’t. As long as it takes $30 million a month to run for President, we will probably never have better choices.
Ralph

Ralph Berg said:
You are right, Obama is slick. But McCorpse is just a flat out liar. Yesterday he said there would be no $700 billion bailout for Wall Street under his administration. Hell, the friggin hypocrite voted for the bailout. Ralph
Then there's this little contradiction in one speech

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/18/john-mccain-thinks-you-are-stupid.aspx

Another good piece of “Chicago Politics” -

Obama Ignores Credit Card Donation Fraud - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:01 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

What do Bart Simpson, Family Guy, Daffy Duck, King Kong, O.J. Simpson and Raela Odinga have in common?

All are celebrities; and with the exception of Odinga and O.J. Simpson, they also are fictional characters. And yet, all of them gave money earlier this month to the campaign of Barack Obama, without any apparent effort by the campaign to screen them out as suspect donors.

The Obama fundraising machine may owe its sensational success in part to a relaxation of standard online merchant security practices, which has allowed illegal donations from foreign donors and from unknown individuals using anonymous “gift” cards, industry analysts and a confidential informant tell Newsmax.

An ongoing Newsmax investigation into the Obama campaign’s finance reports has exposed multiple instances of campaign finance violations and has been cited in a formal complaint to the Federal Election Commission filed by the Republican National Committee on Oct. 6.

Though many of the known violations include donations in excess of the $2,300 per election limit on individual contributions and contributions from foreign nationals, the extent of the amount of fraud is hidden because of a loophole in federal election law.

Campaigns are not required to disclose contributors who donate less than $200 – and Obama’s campaign refuses to release their names, addresses and donation amounts. Obama has collected a staggering $603.2 million. Most of the money – $543.3 million – has come from individual contributors, half of it from “small” donors Obama won’t disclose.

The Obama campaign has turned a blind eye to the possibility of donor fraud. During the heated primary battle with Hillary Clinton, the Obama campaign “turned off” many of the security features on its online donor page, allowing any person with a valid credit card number to donate using any name or address. Typically, card merchants require a cardholder’s name to match critical personal details, such as an address or, at the least, a ZIP code.

Though in recent months the Obama campaign has tightened up security and restored some of the security features used by merchants to weed out fraud, it still has left open easy ways for potential credit card fraud, including techniques similar to those employed by terrorists and drug traffickers to launder illicit funds.

For example, on Oct. 14, an individual using the name “O.J. Simpson” participated in Obama’s latest small-donor fundraising drive, making a $5 donation through the campaign’s Web site.

Giving a Los Angeles address, he listed his employer as the “State of Nevada” and his occupation as “convict.” The donor used a disposable “gift” credit card to make the donation.

The Obama campaign sent O.J. a thank-you note confirming his contribution, and gave him the name of another donor who had agreed to “match” his contribution.

Four minutes earlier, an individual using the name “Raela Odinga” also made a $5 contribution, using the same credit card.

The real Raela Odinga became prime minister of Kenya in April and has claimed to be a cousin of Obama’s through a maternal uncle.

Obama donor “Raela Odinga” listed his address as “2007 Stolen Election Passage” in “Nairobi, KY.” This credit card donation raised no alarm bells in the Obama campaign.

A few minutes earlier, “Daffy Duck” gave $5 to the Obama matching campaign, listing his address as “124 Wacky Way, Beverly Hills, Calif.”

But just as with Odinga’s address, the “Wacky Way” address failed to raise any alarm bells or security traps on the Obama Web site. Daffy Duck also used the same credit card.

Within the hour, three other new donors gave $5 to the Obama campaign. They were:

Bart Simpson, of 333 Heavens Gate, Beverly Hills, Calif.

Family Guy, of 128 KilltheJews Alley, Gaza, GA.

King Kong, of 549 Quinn Street, Capitol Heights, Md.

Newsmax learned of these contributions, which were all made on a single $25 Visa gift card (yes, the total was $30), from a source that requested anonymity.

Calling himself “Bart Simpson,” the tipster said he had been following the Newsmax investigation of Obama’s campaign finance irregularities “with great interest,” and believed that some of the small donations were coming from gift cards – “you know, the type of disposable debit card you can pick up at Rite-Aid or just about any supermarket.”

[See: Obama Campaign Runs Afoul of Finance Rules]

“I tried it myself a few days ago,” he said. “I’m attaching for you proof of the contributions I made in the names of Daffy Duck, Bart Simpson, Raela Odinga and Family Guy.

“What this means is that the Obama campaign does no verification of the name of the contributor. With a normal credit card, this wouldn’t wor[k], but with these disposable debit cards, no problem!

“This needs to be exposed,” he said.

The tipster attached the confirmation pages from the Obama Web site showing the names of the donors, and in some cases, the names of other Obama donors who had agreed to “match” their contributions.

None of the matching donors’ names appears in the Obama campaign’s public disclosures to the FEC.

Other donors with clearly fictitious names revealed previously by Newsmax, The Los Angeles Times and blogger Pamela Geller (“Atlas Shrugs”) include “Dertey Poiiuy,” “Mong Kong,” “Fornari USA” and “jkbkj Hbkjb.”

Five major companies process the bulk of all credit card transactions made in the United States, industry insiders tell Newsmax. The Obama campaign paid one of them, Chase Paymentech, just over $2 million to process its online transactions.

“We never discuss our relationships with any of our merchants, or customers we work with,” James Wester, a spokesman for Chase Paymentech, told Newsmax.

Newsmax asked whether Chase Paymentech had any security feature that would allow it to identify individuals making contributions using gift cards, but Wester declined to comment.

But other industry analysts, who asked not to be identified by name because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told Newsmax that processors could track gift cards and debit cards “only by the numbers on the cards.”

“There are no names associated with these cards, so as a processor, you have no way of knowing who made the transaction,” one industry analyst said.

Anyone can go into a supermarket or a Rite-Aid and buy a batch of these cards with cash, so there is no trace of the transaction, he added.

“It’s like walk-around money. They could be handing these things out as perks” to newly registered voters or others, “and there’s no way of tracing who is using them.”

Ken Boehm, a lawyer with 30 years of experience in campaign finance law, said that such contributions were clearly illegal.

“Making a contribution in the name of another person is the only part of federal election law that actually carries a criminal penalty,” he told Newsmax. Boehm is the CEO of the National Legal and Policy Center, a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C.

The Obama campaign has paid Synetech Group Inc. of Charlottesville, Va., close to $2 million to compile all of the campaign contribution data from online contributors, bundlers, telemarketers, campaign events and direct-mail campaigns, and process it for submission to the FEC.

The sheer scope of the Obama fundraising juggernaut was “never contemplated by the FEC,” a company official told Newsmax, asking not to be quoted by name.

“It’s a lot of data. You’re talking 7 million contributions,” he said.

The campaign itself is responsible for screening out fraudulent donors, not Synetech, he said. “I’ve been doing this for 30 years, and this is as well-managed as any [campaign]. It’s just huge. When it’s this big, any little thing becomes something more than it is.”

One of the biggest problems the campaign faces is fraud, he said. “It’s a colossal problem. They’re paying the campaign with other people’s money.”

Individuals such as “Doodad Pro” and “Good Will” who made hundreds of contributions to the campaign in excess of the legal limits were not working for the campaign, but for themselves, he insisted.

“It’s all fraud. They do it for kicks. Or they’re testing the cards. The campaign doesn’t want this. Why on earth do they want to have all these messy little transactions? It’s a colossal pain.”

However, the campaign itself has solicited these “messy little transactions” in numerous e-mails to supporters.

For instance, just days before the Democratic National Convention in Denver, campaign manager David Plouffe sent an e-mail to supporters, asking them to “make a donation of $5 or more before midnight this Thursday, July 31st, and you could go backstage with Barack.”

Since them, the campaign has run several small donation drives, claiming to “match” donations of $5, $10 or $25 with an equal amount for a previous donor.

Newsmax put a series of questions to the Obama campaign more than a week ago in preparation for this article, such as whether its Internet contribution system automatically matches a donor’s name and address to their credit card number, as is common industry practice with online stores.

Newsmax also asked if the campaign uses a similar security screen to match a donor’s name and address to the card number when the donor uses a debit card or a gift card.

Despite multiple requests from Newsmax, the Obama campaign declined to comment for this story.

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

Well that’s a problem they will have to fix–it’s illegal, they will have to set up a mechanism to detect those kind of donations from among the 7 million individual donations they got

it’s not “chicago style politics” though, it’s something new, a new problem.

Mike,

Thanks for the civil answer. I looked at it as “Chicago Style Politics” by being whatever can be done to slide pass the system. Donations just under the limit, using the latest names from recent death certificates, that may not be removed from voter registration yet and any other sleezy action that we see here in this beautiful political arena we live in.

If Chicago Politics gets more engrained in Washington, DC, I doubt if the problem gets fixed. Like you, I guess I’m skeptical, but resigned to the fact that all politicans are crooks, will become crooks or have been thrownout of office because they were crooks.

Come on, Bart Simpson, Family Guy, Daffy Duck, King Kong, O.J. Simpson ?
And the silly addresses. If I was trying to hide something I would do a much better job.
These are the types of responses people give when registering on web-sites when they wish to remain ANONYMOUS and don’t want to be bombarded with e-mails, mail and phone calls.
Much to do about nothing. Republicans are really grasping at straws here.
Ralph

I like the idea!

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Garcia as Attorney General Connery as Secretary of Defense Costner as Secretary of State Smith as Secretary of the Treasury That’s the Chicago way! -Brian :stuck_out_tongue: