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Joe, the Vice Prex Nominee

General Discussion
#1

…says that within 6 months of BHO being inaugurated as Prez, there will be a major crisis generated by one of the international bad guys to test the mettle of “The One,” just like Nikki Khrushchev did to JFK. JFK failed that test. Just what we need, another inexperienced pretender at the helm.

Notice what happened when Reagan was inaugurated, the bad guys turned loose the hostages in Iran. China tested W. with the Lockheed P-3, remember that? That was pretty much a draw.

I think that Joe is really a Republican mole. You just can’t make this stuff up!

#2

Steve -

I’m not to good on modern history. The JFK Test & Screw Up you refer to; Is that Bay of Pigs? I don’t even remember the complete story on that. Will have to look it up. The one that I do remember is the Cuban Missile Crisis and I think old Jack did a pretty fair job on that one. Got awful close to a new clear war, but he didn’t flinch and the Soviets backed down.

So what was Shrub’s test, 9-11 ?

#3
Steve Featherkile said:
Notice what happened when Reagan was inaugurated, the bad guys turned loose the hostages in Iran.
How was this a test ? Ralph
#4
Jon Radder said:
Steve -

I’m not to good on modern history. The JFK Test & Screw Up you refer to; Is that Bay of Pigs? I don’t even remember the complete story on that. Will have to look it up. The one that I do remember is the Cuban Missile Crisis and I think old Jack did a pretty fair job on that one. Got awful close to a new clear war, but he didn’t flinch and the Soviets backed down.

So what was Shrub’s test, 9-11 ?


Jon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

#5

Jon,

JFK’s test was a summit with Nikki K. Nikki took JFK’s temperature and decided that JFK could be pushed around. That got us the Cuban Missile Crisis. The upshot of that was that intermediate range missiles were left in Cuba where no missiles had been before, while the long range missiles were withdrawn. Net gain for the Soviets.

Ralph, the point is that the bad guys were unwilling (read afraid) to put Reagan to the test.

#6

There is another theory as to why the hostages in Iran were released so promptly after Reagan took over from Carter.

http://www.answers.com/topic/october-surprise-conspiracy

#7
Steve Featherkile said:
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Ralph, the point is that the bad guys were unwilling (read afraid) to put Reagan to the test.


Yep, they probably got a copy of “Bedtime for Bonzo” and weren’t at all certain who was training whom, how far the training went and if Ronnie still remembered the training.
Better not chance it!! :lol: :lol:

My mom (2 years older than Ronnie) was a “great fan” of the Maggie and Ronnie show, some of the choice words are not fit for this family forum. :slight_smile:
One day I had to tell her “Mom, you are getting worse than me!”
Her reply: “I just happen to adjust to the circumstances.”

:wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :lol:

#8

Yes that’s right–the Iranian radicals had seen all of Reagan’s movies and nothing is more frightening than a movie cowboy with dyed hair. They just threw up their hands in surrender, right after his inauguration, cause they kept hoping he would change his mind and not be inaugurated, they were so scared.

Or maybe a political team which was later proven to have negotiated with Iranian terrorists in the Iran-Contra scandal, even while publicly insisting they would never, ever negotiate with terrorists, cooked up a deal?

The fact that it happened LATER does not necessarily mean it happened earlier. Gives you some insight into Reagan and his political team though.

#9
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Jon Radder said:
Steve -

I’m not to good on modern history. The JFK Test & Screw Up you refer to; Is that Bay of Pigs? I don’t even remember the complete story on that. Will have to look it up. The one that I do remember is the Cuban Missile Crisis and I think old Jack did a pretty fair job on that one. Got awful close to a new clear war, but he didn’t flinch and the Soviets backed down.

So what was Shrub’s test, 9-11 ?


Jon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident


I remember that. Can’t see how a collision and the resulting incident from the forced landing is a pre-conceived test though.

#10
Steve Featherkile said:
Ralph, the point is that the bad guys were unwilling (read afraid) to put Reagan to the test.
I seriously doubt that was the case. Even before the election there were rumors that Reagan had a deal to release the hostages. One day we may find out what he ponied up and what the long term costs were. As for the Russians, they had too much trouble of their own at the time.

I do agree that our leaders have been tested at times. Most of these “tests” the "public " probably didn’t even have any knowledge of. The public incidents were probably meant to embarrass our government or frighten the public(9/11).
Ralph

#11

Ah, yes, the famous “October Surprise.” Before this, I always thought the “October Surprise” was when the Yankees lost the Series.

This was extracted from Tony’s article, which was offered as proof of the “Surprise:” 'After 12 years of news reports looking into the alleged conspiracy, both houses of the US Congress held separate inquiries into the issue, and journalists from sources such as Newsweek and The New Republic looked into the charges. Both Congressional inquires, as well as the majority of investigative reports, found the evidence to be insufficient. ’

Biden went on to say, Obama is going to screw it up, so I want you guys to hang with us during this test. OK, he didn’t say that, exactly, but the meaning was real clear.

Jon, the Hainan Incident may not have been pre-conceived (I’m still not willing to concede that point), but the CHICOMs certainly seized on the incident to test the will of Bush.

#12

Steve, what is wrong with you.?

I never wrote any article.
I offered no proof of anything.

All I did was offer evidence that there was another point of view on Reagan.

Not necessarily mine.

Next, I suppose you will deny Reagan had anything to do with arming the Mujahadeen. A move that has proven to be very costly as they morphed into the Taliban with disastrous consequences for the West.

#13

Gee, I guess I got under your skin, eh Tony? :lol: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley:

Arming the Mujaheddin was not the costly mistake. Abandoning Afghanistan after the Soviets left was the disastrous mistake. A mistake that I hope we don’t make in Iraq.

#14

Steve,
You will have to do a lot better than that to get under my skin.

I have no vested interest in the outcome of the USA Presidential election.
All I seek to do is get at the truth and expose hypocrisy.

#15

Uh huh.

#16

Tony, you said -

“Steve,
You will have to do a lot better than that to get under my skin.
I have no vested interest in the outcome of the USA Presidential election.”

I’m sorry, but I think you do have a vested interest. That is unless you start refusing to sell your product to conservatives. If we have to start paying for BHO’s redistribution of wealth, we may have to go back to track power, oh the shame. I don’t know if I can hold my head up.

This is serious, if we all go on welfare, the train budget may have to be tightened.

#17

No problem Ric.

I will sell to anyone that appreciates the value for money I offer with RCS and EVO products. :wink:

Judging by how hobby sales have held up during past recessions, if the USA market goes belly up it will likely be a good thing for me.

#18
TonyWalsham said:
No problem Ric.

I will sell to anyone that appreciates the value for money I offer with RCS and EVO products. :wink:

Judging by how hobby sales have held up during past recessions, if the USA market goes belly up it will likely be a good thing for me.


My current plans do not reflect in a slow down of quality products. If money is tight, buy quality not quantity. :wink:

#19

Ric.
If the downturn does worsen it will likely affect the bottom end of the market more than the top end.
What may affect me in the USA would be the other manufacturers dumping stock to get cash flow.
I am by the way fairly well insulated because my UK business is now equal to what I sell in the USA and the OZ market is going gangbusters.

Also BTW I am now importing and selling Phoenix sound quite well here.

#20

“Also BTW I am now importing and selling Phoenix sound quite well here.”

Good for you! It would be nice, if you could work out all the bugs. Still bummed about Sierra going TU.