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Jim, the New Guy, Checking In to say "Hello" and tell some Stori

Hello Everyone, About the time this forum was getting started, I was moving from 7/8" scale modeling into full size railroading. I became an active member of the SC Railroad Museum www.scrm.org and "played with the big boys for several years. At the same time, I also became a Corvette owner. The SC Railroad Museum has 6.5 miles of weed infested, overgrown, track (known as the west end) and my best friend, Larry, and I took it upon ourselves to reopen it to Rail Speeder Traffic. Partly because it was there, but mainly because we were worried that the track looked abandoned and growth was starting to occur in the area. We were afraid the the Museum would end up losing the track. The Museum was, like many all volunteer organizations, riddled with factions who spent more time arguing with each other than they did actually doing things. There was a hard core that wanted to run tourist trains and make money but they were not into maintenance of either the equipment or the track. So Larry and I ventured west and decided that we would ignore the squabbling and have fun. Beside, hard work is good for us. Here I am with my 1st Corvette picking up my Rail Speeder (A Fairmont MT-14) in Ohio to tow it back to SC.

The West End Track had seen no maintenance or tie replacement for over 60 years. Keep in mind that the useful life of a railroad tie, under ideal (well drained) conditions is 25 years. But the track was on a very stable granite base( the old railroad served two granite quarries) and the light weight of the speeder didn’t spread the rails. One of the guys at the Museum used to say “The only thing holding the rails in gauge on the West End is all of the Fire Ants holding hands!” So with a working speeder, chainsaws, assorted axes, etc. we set out on out mission. Here is a video we shot late on our first day. The “Green Wall” is what you hit when you are heading west and come to the end of the area where the track has been sprayed with weed killer. We had been through this section of track four times before I shot the video. We had already removed all of the dead branches, trees, and trash, and cut down all of the saplings that were in the way. We knew that the rails were unobstructed! On this run we were heading west and spraying weed killer behind us as we went. http://youtu.be/UEPR8X1rcho We were heading west toward the Chappeltown Road Crossing in the video. Here is a photo shot at the crossing looking east when we started.

And 10 months and many gallons of weed killer later here is the same view.

The flange ways were packed solid with clay and gravel so we took the Museum’s giant air compressor out there and blew them out.

The video above was shot along Rion Causeway which was a dam built of granite rubble We have nor re-opened about a mile of track and the other guys back at the Museum started coming out to joy ride on the Museum’s speeders which were bigger and heaver than mine. By now we rarely derailed because we went slow, at creeping speed, and we knew where the gauge problems were. We thought it was funny that the guys who “never had time to help” kept derailing because they drove too fast. But the President of the Museum was supportive of what we were doing and he started buying us gauge rods. (These are 1 1/4" rods that clamp to the bottom of the rail and hold it in gauge and prevent the rails from leaning over) and we started "planting them in the worst places.

This is me…

And here are two nice shost of the causeway and the lake

If you haven’t guessed yet, this is going to be a long introduction… More to come Jim

WOW
I’m so tired!!
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You got to start some were!
Welcome Jim
Sean

Nice post Jim. Welcome aboard. You’ve already made a few friends , because you came with our 2nd favorite dish, pictures. :slight_smile:

A bit about the SC Railroad Museum which was established about 40 years ago by two chapter of the National Railroad Historical Society. The Charleston Chapter had a bunch of equipment stored on track at the Charleston Navy base. The Base was getting ready to close and they were about to lose their storage rights. The Columbia Chapter got the former Rockton & Rion Railroad donated. The R&R is about 30 miles north of Columbia, SC. The equipment was moved to Rockton, SC where there was an interchange between the R&R RR and Norfolk Southern RR. Here is a sketch map of the railroad which was 12 miles long.

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Unfortunately, the guy who originally sold the R&R RR to Martin-Marietta Aggregates (who donated it to the Museum) filed a suit against the Museum and in the end a “deal” was cut and the Museum lost the western most 1/2 mile of the original R&R RR. I say unfortunately because the railroad shops were on the section lost to the museum. The buildings and equipment were complete. When the R&R RR shut down, everyone walked away, and the shops were left intact. Within a year, they had been scrapped! I have to find it but I will eventually post a link to the photos of the railroad when the Museum originally acquired it.

Dave Marconi said:
Nice post Jim. Welcome aboard. You've already made a few friends , because you came with our 2nd favorite dish, pictures. :)
Pictures R Me, Dave. And videos too.

This is a pretty interesting story with lots of nifty stuff and photos to go along with it.

Welcome aboard Jim. Looks like you’re having fun.

Jim, welcome aboard… Like the video and pictures, and the story… :slight_smile:

After we had cleared as far as the Chappeltown Road Crossing we headed on west, around a curve, and came to a long undulating section of track nick named “The Roller Coaster.” The section immediately west of Chappeltown road was full on small saplings, most 2-4" in diameter, which had to be cleared using chainsaws. The problem with this is disposing of the stuff you cut down with the chainsaws. One guy with a chainsaw can easily keep four guys busy hauling out the stuff and tossing it to the sides of the ROW. Don’t forget, the original R&R RR served two quarries so the RR had an inexhaustible supply of granite to use as ballast and they didn’t bother to crush it to normal ballast size. As a result, some of the ties were ‘notched’ to fit over large chunks of granite. A Google Earth view and a few photos

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In the Google Earth view you will see a “Sun Kink Area” which we created when we sprayed the weeds that had shaded the rails. We ended up putting in a gauge rod every 10 feet in this area. A new tie, then cost $35 and required extensive digging and prying to get a space under the rails to “plant it.” And then you had to spike it down. Gauge rods cost about $22 dollars and could easily be slid into place under the rails. We were using 6’ long “open end wrenches” to tighten the nuts on the gauge rods in order top pull the rails into place. The term “Sun Kink” refers to a place where the sun hears the rails, they expand length wise and usually kink in or out, but sometimes up. They are a pain to work with! And it is surprising but the worst kinks occur on bright sunny days in the winter.

Note in the photos above the condition of the track. Many of the ties have rotted away and are gone completely.

Speaking of Sun Kinks, here is a good photo. Note that both rails have kinked which means that the ties slid to the left and right. These are no problem for my light weight speeder traveling a creeping (idle) speed.

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By now, we have gotten smart and haul a bunch of tools and jacks with us. We do everything we can to avoid derailing but it does happen and we are prepared to re-rail the speeder when it does. “Better safe and prepared than sorry”. Both Larry and I are retired Military and we are big believers in proper preventative maintenance and a detailed check before we head out onto the rails.

The Museum has a policy that I can store my speeder on the Museum’s rails but then it is available for use by any idiot who wants to run it. So I kept it at home and trailer it back and forth. I also hauled it to other railroads to run on from time to time. Here is my second Vette with the trailer which tilts and then I would lower the speeder onto the rails with a hand winch.

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My second Vette became know as “The Railroad Vette” for obvious reasons shown below.

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Do not try this at home unless you have “total control” of the track and know that no trains are on it. The only way on or off the rails is at a crossing. This works because the Vettes have “Run Flat” tires with stiff side walls and the tread width matches the track gauge. Let the air out and it runs along the rails nicely. I never got up the nerve to go fast or a long distance.

Welcome Jim,

I’ll have to give a copy of your RailVette picture (sounds almost like a Motown term) to the CPR HighRailers next time I seem them. :lol: :lol:

Welcome Jim…

As we continue to head west along the old track, the next interesting feature we come to is the Chinese Wall. But before I can tell you that, I need to tell you about the two quarries. Rion Quarry was at the 5.0 mile post and primarily supplied crushed granite. Here is a Google Earth view.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/SCRM/RionQuarry06.jpg)

When the Museum was given the railroad it got the north and south main lines and the land in between them. Everythig else was torn down and sold for scrap except for the original quarry maintenance building. Here is Rion Quarry before the scrappers came.

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Here is the old Rion Maintenance Building and Shop. The shop equipment is long gone and the roof on the left end is failing.

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The building is still owned by Martin Marietta and I tried my best to get them to donate it and some additional land to the Museum but I was now successful. Inside the building is a wood beamed traveling crane with iron truss rods. It is the only one know to still exist in the US. Unfortunately, it is below the area where the roof is failing and is now exposed to the weather. One more good snow and I expect the entire roof to collapse, the walls to fall in, and the traveling crane to be lost to history.

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Note the hand shaped wood beams.

Very cool, Jim.
I’ve been meaning to visit the Museum for the past couple of years.
Are they still open on Saturdays?
Ralph

Thanks for all the pictures and stories. Some real similarities to the East Broad Top where a small group of guys did the same reclamation to several miles of overgrown track.

It’s truly amazing what a couple of volunteers can do. Better yet, to inspire [or more likely, to shame] other members of the group to put some muscle into it.

Great stuff!!

tac

Ralph Berg said:
Very cool, Jim. I’ve been meaning to visit the Museum for the past couple of years. Are they still open on Saturdays? Ralph

Saturdays 9-4 Go here for more details http://www.scrm.org/visitorpage.html -Flagg Coal Steam Trains: Saturdays and Sundays October 15, 16, 22 and 23. Trips depart Saturdays at 9:30 AM, 11:30 AM, 1:30 PM, and 3:30 PM. Trips depart Sundays at 1:30pm and 3:30pm.

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On a personal note, My wife and I had talked for years about moving to Florida, to the Daytona Beach Area where my Mom & Brother live. One day, after her son had left the nest, my wife said, “Its time to move to Florida.”

So I got out of the full size railroading business and, into Historic Explorations in Florida.

I still keep in touch with friends at the SC RR Museum and drop by to visit from time to time. There are a lor of great people there doing good things.

It is time to tell you about Anderson Quarry. Here is a photo showing both main pits.

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Anderson Quarry was at the west end of the old R&R RR at MP 12. It produced “Monument Grade” granite which was known far and wide as Winnsboro Blue Granite. (Winnsboro, SC was the nearby town where the sales headquarters was located) They sold granite to order as seen on this photo.

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But most pieces were cut to a more or less standard size, about the same as a large home refrigerator. Here are some photos of the pits which show that the “working faces” of the pits were vertical. This is where they would cut the blocks from.

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