Large Scale Central

It is official, Märklin has declared insolvency

HJ.

Why not mention them anyway.

The current situation of financial meltdown will not be resolved until the guilty people are found tried and convicted of the massive frauds they committed.
The relevant authorities could start by looking into exactly what role the ratings agencies played in the debacle.
Giving the bad guys more money is definitely not the answer.

Will Marklin offer Walthers the entire LGB package – whatever it is now – as did Walthers absorb an HO mfg.?
Or, if clearly a bankruptcy, will Walthers ply the holders of Marklin investment paper to obtain LGB?

I have no data from Ron Gibson at this point. Ron is (was?) the director for LGB products at Walthers.

Any insight from HJ or others?

Wendell

Wendell don’t get ahead of yourself. :smiley: Much too early to see little burlesques like the Schöntag episode in the offing.

Wendell,
apart from the continuing demand for the European prototype, there really is little call for other manufacturers to buy into the ex-LGB tooling/brandname. The perceived scale of the non-European items does not fit into the range of items the other manufacturers offer. Piko may have an interest in the standard gauge European coaches to complement their existing range. I really do not see an existing manufacturer attempting to purchase the brandname. I feel a piecemeal breakup, as with Delton, is on offer.

I believe Walthers might be more interested in the smaller scale products from Maerklin.
Just speculation of course :wink:
Ralph

Hans-Joerg,

You are still back-peddling… When you are in a hole, you need to stop digging!!

Careful Bob or he’ll start calling you Marvin!

I find it extremely amusing that when a topic gets a little close to the bone, then new members (trolls) or members who rarely post on any topic, suddenly make immature posting responses, designed to detract from the real topic. Maybe JJ and Marvin have other aliases or accomplices. Either way, these trolls are bent on destruction of normal forum etiquette.

Bob Burton said:
Hans-Joerg,

You are still back-peddling… When you are in a hole, you need to stop digging!!


Bob,

Not at all, but let me highlight it for you: “Like it or not, Märklin being awarded the bid for EPL back in 2007 was the right thing. Even if one takes the latest developments into account!” You may frame that if you like. :slight_smile:
The alternatives were not attractive enough, especially if there are repeated bids by the same clique under different guises which, for some strange reason, always miss by just a smidgen.

@ Tim,

Not to worry, it is always nice to see how much (or little) detail people retain over a short 18 months.

BTW LGB® has a sample of the RhB Rp-w flatcar model on display at the NTF and even better yet, Regner has a model of the LiveSteam RhB G3/4 No11 on display. Hurray!

John Joseph Sauer said:
Careful Bob or he'll start calling you Marvin!
You have a point at least in one respect; Bob's spelling is almost on a par with Marvin's (in all his glorious incarnations!).

HJ.

You do understand that the “Ventilators” still have that long cherished dream? You know, the dream that after all the dust has settled, the two cousins will some how miraculously rise from the ashes and once again take over their “rightful” place at the helm of the Good Ship LGB.

Then all will be back to normal and then LGB products will once again flow from Nuremberg to thrill and entice all their loyal fans.

Perhaps if they had put there money where their mouths were instead of just spouting platitudes, the World may just have been a rosier place.

Tim,

Carefull who you call a Troll, as I beleive you are in the same class…

Hans-Joerg,

Your still in that hole, you need to stop digging!!

Bob Burton said:
Tim,

Carefull who you call a Troll, as I beleive you are in the same class…

Hans-Joerg,

Your still in that hole, you need to stop digging!!


Tim, and others…

I do believe that you meant …“You are, or You’re” when you typed that last line…There is a difference.

If you guys are going to name call, and get in debates about the pros, and cons of a dead horse; at least use correct spelling, so that we spectators can read properly spelled words in your statements…THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Thanks Padre, something along the line (slight paraphrasing): “Forgive them Padre, for they don’t know how to spell.” :smiley: :wink: But they know how to
spout.

Bob,

You need to get out more errrr … I mean you need to expand your sources in order to be better informed. :confused:

Hans-Joerg,

Still can not admit that you were wrong & Marklin was not the great savior you thought it would be, so much better than Silvergate as I recall… Buy the way I have never been a LGB lover…

Fred,

Sorry, I did not know that I was in English class, I thought that I was on a forum talking about trains…

Yes Bob, you are on a forum, sharing ideas and information, typed in English. It isn’t any harder to try to spell correctly, while you are at it.

I make spelling mistakes quite often too, and appreciate when others correct me. Taking part in a forum on any topic is supposed to be a learning and sharing experience. Learning to use correct spelling is part of a life of learning. I’m only trying to contribute in a small way towards better communication.

Bob, Not only do you have a problem spelling, you apparently have also a problem reading. But this could help!

(http:///F-PIX/LargeStatement_s.jpg)

All the mentions of LGBoA, G45 and Slivergate won’t change that, that clique always came up just a bit short. Very good strategy! :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley: PS Now let’s see the letters should be large enough, easy to read. Next will be the comprehension … could be a problem! Oh BTW have you found me mentioning saviour yet? Would be interested to see that complete with context.

HJ-
Any data supporting Walthers taking the lead and obtaining LGB production rights so they have both distribution and production under one helm? Of course, what’s the price to Walthers for doing so – and would the corporate value of Marklin drop if LGB were sold? Perhaps, LGB is a detriment financially and Marklin would benefit from its sale.

Any estimates?

Wendell

Wendell,

Where do you hear these bits or get the ideas from? :slight_smile: :wink:

So far the only thing mentioned by the trustee is “Production will continue as usual!”

HJ

You may have given the answer --“production will continue as usual…” Yet, it does not say who is the producer.
In short, I was curious if you have any further data. The only lead I have to add to my speculations – at this point I am simply doing that – is from my friendship with the current (hopefully?) Walthers’ corporate person directing the LGB activity at Walthers, Ron Gibson. I have yet to reach him. So who knows.

My initial speculation is based on Walthers previously absorbing an HO mfg --I don’t recall whom, just the outcome – for whom they were distributing.

I appreciate your input and continual ability to attain data. My argumentation class coming up will get a number of handouts with summations for class exercises – the LGB saga chronologically is still a good case study as the outcome remains unpredictable.

The "Phoenix"of the industry is still LGB.

Wendell