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Increasing safety

Craig Townsend said:

A lot of short lines make big money storing cars on their tracks. And not just in sidings either. If your a shortline and you have 5 miles of mainline track that doesn’t have a customer, but a leasing company contacts you to storage cars, you can sure bet that those cars are going to end up sitting on a mainline.

But for the accident up in Canada, I don’t find it anything more that SOP to stop a train on the main. I parked a many train on the main track and left the train unattended.

The very last paragraph of the article makes no sense to me… Why can’t the RR deliver cars to a customer? “On Wednesday, a rusted yellow derailer sat clamped on the siding in Nantes, with a large yellow warning sign planted in the gravel nearby. Farther back, nearly two-dozen boxcars remained in the same location on the siding where they have been since the crash. Mr. Brassard said the cars were scheduled to come to the Tafisa factory for loading but Quebec provincial police have not allowed them to be moved.”

On the storage situation, yes standard practice. Our regional shortline - Kelowna Pacific Railway (Knight Hawk), insolvent as of July 12th 2013 or thereabouts - has been storing hoppers and tankers for at least 10 years, at one time it looked like every siding was filled with tankers. Many have been picked-up since the crude oil traffic increased.

BTW will be interesting to see who claims what is still sitting around, the KPR engines are gone from the service yard in Vernon.

Which reminds me, I need to write a letter to our local rag to push for a true regional railway - the towns, districts and shippers as stake holders with a reliable operator running the show.

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/13452967[/vimeo]

The all-day transfer run from Kamloops (CN Yard) to Vernon; there was a lot of time to work on my tan that day.

PS on the cars that don’t move. As is they would have to run through the accident scene and that’s out. They are talking about alternatives i.e. reactivating an old connecting track that would allow them to ship East - the long way around since most of the board traffic goes West to Montreal.

The focus of the TSB investigation has shifted/expanded

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/focus-of-lac-megantic-probe-turns-to-north-dakota-oil-fields/article13569437/

Thanks HJ. That clears up some personal mystery. I was wondering how crude could be so explosive. I didn’t realize that there was “light” crude oil that is more flammable in it’s natural state than the thick crude from Pennsylvania and Texas.

Looks like they are also looking into if there may have been additives.

The Bunker “C” that most railroads and the Navy used for its steam powered ships was practically inflammable in its natural state. I’m told that you could throw a lighted match into it, and the match would just fizzle out. The Bunker “C” had to be heated before it would even flow, it was so thick. It was almost like tar.

Steve, I know for the turbines, UP heated the stuff to over 200degrees F before injecting it into the combustion chambers of the turbines.

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Craig Townsend said:

A lot of short lines make big money storing cars on their tracks. And not just in sidings either. If your a shortline and you have 5 miles of mainline track that doesn’t have a customer, but a leasing company contacts you to storage cars, you can sure bet that those cars are going to end up sitting on a mainline.

But for the accident up in Canada, I don’t find it anything more that SOP to stop a train on the main. I parked a many train on the main track and left the train unattended.

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/13452967[/vimeo]

The all-day transfer run from Kamloops (CN Yard) to Vernon; there was a lot of time to work on my tan that day.

BTW will be interesting to see who claims what is still sitting around, the KPR engines are gone from the service yard in Vernon.

Which reminds me, I need to write a letter to our local rag to push for a true regional railway - the towns, districts and shippers as stake holders with a reliable operator running the show.


Hans J.M.
Kelowna Pacific Railway (Knight Hawk).
Do you know where to find or show a link of the trackage? Looks like a neat R.R. and nice power they used in your Video.
Nice video too. Noel

Not sure why this came up twice??
Hans J.M.
Kelowna Pacific Railway (Knight Hawk).
Do you know where to find or show a link of the trackage? Looks like a neat R.R. and nice power they used in your Video.
Nice video too. Noel

Noel

The KPR went into receivership two weeks ago. There were some guys working on the track when I was heading out Thursday. The foreman told me that they were just determining how much they needed to absolutely fix to get all the rolling stock off the line - according to the rules book he was reading.

:wink: :wink:

If and when wheels will roll again is a very big question.

It’s been a couple months now since the accident and I haven’t heard anything on the news about any findings as to how the cars got away from the locomotives and began rolling away. Has anyone heard anything on the investigation?

Chester Louis SA #64 Hampshire County Narrow Gauge

Chester Louis said:

It’s been a couple months now since the accident and I haven’t heard anything on the news about any findings as to how the cars got away from the locomotives and began rolling away. Has anyone heard anything on the investigation?

Chester Louis SA #64 Hampshire County Narrow Gauge

Two months is still a pretty short amount of time. Try two years and the report might be available to the public. But even than the mainstream media doesn’t follow up on it, its individuals searching the safety board websites that find it. I’m not sure if the Canadians publicly make this reports available, but the NTSB reports are publicly accessible.

Yes, the TSB reports are public http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/

Had an interesting chat with some railway personnel while raifanning on Saturday regarding the general safety procedures. :wink: :wink:

HJ, you’ll have to be a bit more specific. All I found was bureaucratic evasion and “You are not cleared for ridiculous.”

Steve Featherkile said:

HJ, you’ll have to be a bit more specific. All I found was bureaucratic evasion and “You are not cleared for ridiculous.”

The gist: a lot of temporary hoopla, followed by “now back to normal” - with minor adjustments e.g. lock the cabs on parked lead units, outlaw single person crews etc. etc.

My opinion: the regulatory agencies will have a similar “clamp down” on the railways as they had/ have on the banks. There will be photo ops for the different ministers and little else that will tackle the real issues. For a simple reason: those who regulate report to a government that plays fast and loose with many of the safety aspects they are responsible for - both in-house and different industrial sectors.

The big article in TRAINS (Oct 2013) covered many of the bases and together with what has been published by “the muckrakers” (those who do some real digging instead of repeating press releases) it will be worth watching for quite some time. Precisely the reason I use Google Alerts.

:wink: :slight_smile:

Report on an interview with Hunter Harrison

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Rail+says+shippers+have+stonewalled+purchase+safer+tanker+cars/8928671/story.html

Interesting findings by the Auditor General

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/significant-weaknesses-found-in-audit-before-deadly-lac-megantic-crash-1.1561010

This was on the radio, just had to find a print copy.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Mégantic+claimants+after+Ottawa+allege+Transport+Canada/9503586/story.html

And one more on the same theme

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/railway-behind-lac-megantic-derailment-was-cited-for-brake-violations/article16848316/

Sometimes I wonder what the time frame is in which the railways must report the mishaps.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/rail-safety-tsb-discovers-companies-not-reporting-all-derailments-1.2598417

RCO derailments were always swept under the rug, but when a train that had a hoghead when on the ground it was automatically the crews fault… I recall a trainmaster telling us that if the derailment was less than X amount of dollars to fix it didn’t really count (ie not reported). This trainmaster also was famous for telling the crews that he didn’t want to fill out paperwork, so…

A TM from the old days that would look the other way is sure a lost art in today’s RRing…