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How Old is The Earth? Maybe I was wrong

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#41

I answered most of your posts, you just ignored the response. For example, I pointed out that the page you linked to suggested that there were dinosaurs walking the earth at the time Columbus reached America. I pointed out that there is not a single piece of written evidence to suggest that this is true. I also asked you to explain why, if there were dinosaurs in Shakespeare’s England, they were never mentioned in the Bible. I asked you to explain how a 40 foot carnivore with 6 inch teeth could have escaped notice, especially since it must have been on Noah’s ark, if indeed it survived into Shakespeare’s England.

You never replied

I like having my beliefs challenged. I took the challenge, examined the evidence, and concluded it was thoroughly unpersuasive.

My post on this, by the way, is here

http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?pid=89775#p89775

#42

I did not answer because there was nothing about Shakespeare’s England or Columbus in the article I posted. I am able to make a drawing of a dinosaur today, which doesn’t mean I saw one today.

The word dinosaur is a relatively new word, not in use before 100 years or so ago.

On a side note, where does it say in the bible, Noah gathered full grown ADULT animals into the Ark?

#43
David Hill said:
On a side note, where does it say in the bible, Noah gathered full grown ADULT animals into the Ark?
Considering that it's all fairy tales and hearsay that has been written down, who would really care?
#44
David Hill said:
I did not answer because there was nothing about Shakespeare's England or Columbus in the article I posted. I am able to make a drawing of a dinosaur today, which doesn't mean I saw one today.

The word dinosaur is a relatively new word, not in use before 100 years or so ago.

On a side note, where does it say in the bible, Noah gathered full grown ADULT animals into the Ark?


Nice dodge. The page you listed as evidence included this:

“In 1496 the Bishop of Carlisle, Richard Bell, was buried in Carlisle Cathedral in the U.K. The tomb is inlaid with brass, with various animals engraved upon it (see right). Although worn by the countless feet that walked over it since the Middle Ages, a particular depiction is unmistakable in its similarity to a dinosaur. Amongst the birds, dog, eel, etc. this clear representation of two long-necked creatures should be considered evidence that man and dinosaurs co-existed.”

It’s arguing that some decoration on a tomb MADE IN 1496 indicates that dinosaurs and people co-existed–IN 1496.. Because otherwise, if the tomb-maker did not see dinosaurs and people living together, then it’s evidence of nothing at all. Do you seriously expect me to believe that there were dinosaurs roaming England four years AFTER Columbus landed in America?

As you say, you can draw a dinosaur without having ever seen one (and without having cexisted with one). If you can, than whoever carved the tomb can as well, and so the carving proves precisely nothing about dinosaurs and humans co-existing. But there it is, duping the credulous and posing as evidence.

You still haven’t explained why the Bible makes no mention of 100 foot long dinosaurs or of 40+ foot predators. Forget about baby dinosaurs on the ark–you can make up whatever you want about what was or was not on the ark–why does the Bible not mention the fact that herds of triceratops roamed the land? Or herds of Sauropds 100 feet long? Or small packs of raptors? Odd that the Romans put Daniel in a lion’s den, when they could have put him in a den with some of those 40 foot tyranosaurs descended from Noah’s two babies. Yes of course, the word “dinosaur” had not yet been coined, but there are no descriptions matching dinosaurs because people and dinosaurs never co-existed

You can have faith in whatever you like. But the effort to prove the that people and dinosaurs co-existed is ridiculous, as is clear in the passage above about the Bishop’s tomb. It is quite simply senseless, as in it makes no sense.

#45

Monkeys and footballs. :lol: ROTFLMAO

#46
David Hill said:
On a side note, where does it say in the bible, Noah gathered full grown ADULT animals into the Ark?
Did that include all the 10s of thousands of animals and insect species there still discovering today in the South America's Amazon basin, as well as Austrailia, and North America, how did they get there? swim? or did they all have to hold their breath ???
#47

Can you imagine two elephants, two cows, two horses, two zebras, two giraffes, two buffalo, and so on? Who cleaned up the mess each day?

And why didn’t Noah take care of the two remaining mosquitoes when he had the chance?

And can you imagine telling the rabbits, “Only two! Only two, dammit!”

I asked my Sunday School teacher those questions, once. She was not amused. I had to take a note home to Mom. It was sort of like “self-reporting,” in Oz. :lol:

#48

All you have to do is dig a little, in amongst all the fun stuff like lions and otters that we are all very happy with (unless the lion is chasing you at the time) the creator had time to make the less fun stuff like breast cancer, and smallpox.
Oh and on the last day of making animals, along with the dinos he made Trolls! I believe they take a lot of feeding…

To quote Douglas Adams (just for you Victor, I have always been a fan of Marvin) “Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”

Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in reality.

#49
Steve Featherkile said:
Can you imagine two elephants, two cows, two horses, two zebras, two giraffes, two buffalo, and so on? Who cleaned up the mess each day?

And why didn’t Noah take care of the two remaining mosquitoes when he had the chance?

And can you imagine telling the rabbits, “Only two! Only two, dammit!”

I asked my Sunday School teacher those questions, once. She was not amused. I had to take a note home to Mom. It was sort of like “self-reporting,” in Oz. :lol:


You’ve been listening to old Cosby albums again haven’t you !

#50

The book of Job was probably written around 2,000 years before Jesus was born or soon after the Flood it describes the greatest of land animals, an animal the Bible calls “behemoth,” meaning “gigantic beast.” This Biblical description clearly fits the description of a large saurapod such as Diplodocus or Apatosaurus. Note the following points mentioned there; the behemoth:

Was a large, grass eater
Had great muscles and extremely strong bones
Was not afraid of anything
Had a tail so large it was compared to a large cedar tree
Rests in marshes--flooding rivers do not alarm it
Cannot be trapped or domesticated

Not that it matters, since you may already have your mind made up: Dinosaurs

#51

From the same article. But, you learned in elementary school this scientific discovery can’t possibly be true.

The Wrong-Headed Dinosaur. How do scientists know anything about dinosaurs? Apart from the Bible, the only information on dinosaurs comes from fossils–parts of dead plants and animals that have been turned into rock. Examples of dinosaur fossils include bones, teeth, claws, spikes, horns, bony plates, eggs (sometimes with unborn babies), gizzard’s stones (gastroliths), dung (coprolites), footprints, imprints of skin (very rare), and stomach contents (very rare). Fossils are like pieces of a puzzle. No one knows how the living animal actually looked, nor can they do more than guess about the animal’s behavior. This is why our concepts about dinosaurs continually change.

A good example is the great Brontosaurus, probably the best known of the dinosaurs. Millions of people have seen it in books and advertising; however, the Brontosaurus never existed! Its fossils were discovered with the head missing. To complete the skeleton, the scientist attached a skull found 3-4 miles away, but did not reveal this fact. Recently it was discovered that the body skeleton belonged to a Diplodocus and the skull was from an Apatosaurus.

#52
David Hill said:
....Now I'll give each of you your last shot at a return insult, and will consider this topic closed to the childish bantering.
David, you have had more encore performances than Dame Nellie Melba. In case you have not heard of this famous opera singer, she would continually announce a performance, as her final curtain call and then, low and behold, would announce another farewell performance and another and another. See a pattern forming here? You keep closing a topic with YOUR final parting shot. A typical juvenile response to a discussion that you cannot get it all your own way, so you have the final say and then take your ball and go home. That is fine, but the thing is you keep coming back again and again and again. If you intend coming back, then do not be say that this is your final point on the topic, because we know that is not going to be the case. 
    As we say,  you keep digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper.   Awaiting your final comment to close this topic,  again and again and again.
#53

Our concept of dinosaurs continually changes, but the idea that they lived millions of years before human beings does not. Your example of the brontosaurus/apatasaurus proves nothing pertinent to the debate.

A behemoth, eh? that’s it? !00 varieties of huge dinosaur and we’re supposed to buy this one piece of evidence about a “behemoth?”

#54
mike omalley said:
Our concept of dinosaurs continually changes, but the idea that they lived millions of years before human beings does not. Your example of the brontosaurus/apatasaurus proves nothing pertinent to the debate.

A behemoth, eh? that’s it? !00 varieties of huge dinosaur and we’re supposed to buy this one piece of evidence about a “behemoth?”


You asked for a reference in the Bible. There it is and now you are going to quibble.

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#56
David Hill said:
mike omalley said:
Our concept of dinosaurs continually changes, but the idea that they lived millions of years before human beings does not. Your example of the brontosaurus/apatasaurus proves nothing pertinent to the debate.

A behemoth, eh? that’s it? !00 varieties of huge dinosaur and we’re supposed to buy this one piece of evidence about a “behemoth?”


You asked for a reference in the Bible. There it is and now you are going to quibble.

David,
there is a lot to read in the bible - quote a reference please. The animal was an elephant. The observer could not distinguish his trunk from his tail. The dimensions of the ark are given in the bible and even a ‘baby’ bronto or sauropod would have had difficulty in finding accomodation. I believe that if you read your bible, it will sytate that Noah was instructed to take one of each mature animals onto the Ark, not babies. Do you really think that either Noah would defy the word of god and take babies against god’s instructions, or that god would know to build an ark big enough to accomodate mature dinosaurs. Either way you insult your god’s intelligence.

     You may have forgotten the meteor impact off the coast of Central America, in the Gulf of Mexico,  that decimated the known world.  As no known dinosaurs ('terror lizards'),  apart from small reptiles and birds, survived the blast,  then was the flood before or after the meteor impact?  The impact point is no myth and has been documented with scientific investigation.  Evidence of a great flood has been found,  but no where in the region of Israel or Egypt,  but up on the Black Sea. 

    Noah certainly travelled a long way from home.  We must assume then that not only does every animal surviving today,  descend from the Ark,  but also every human being is related to Noah and his family.  Once again,  if only they survived,  then where do non-Hebrew/Armenians come from.  We may assume that Noah was Armenian,  as the flood hardly took him in 40 days from Israel to Armenia,  against the flow of the outrushing tidal flow.  Oh wait a minute,  the flood covered the entire world.  Now unless Mt Aararat has severely eroded in the few thousand years since the flood,  then the highest point of the earth today is Mt. Everest,  which towers over Mt. Aaarat by more than twenty thousand feet.  Do you see a problem here? Oh,  I know,  god created Mt. Everest after the flood.  Silly me.  If water covered the earth to the height of the highest mountains,  then where is it all today,  as last time I looked,  the sea level was a lot lower than in biblical times of the flood.  Oceanographic studies of the ocean floor reveal that insufficient land mass exists below current sea level to support a world,  therefore one would safely assume that the current sea-level is close to that of the earth prior to the flood.  Back to where has all the water gone?  Maybe all evaporated into the heavens?  More holes in your story of the bible.

   Mt.Aararat could not have been the highest point on earth and thus there were other areas of the earth unaffected by the flood and so animals and humans alive at the time,  would have survived and most likely had no knowlege of the flood that supposedly killed them.  I am believing that the story you call the bible is exactly that - ONE BIG STORY!!!!!!!
#57
David Hill said:
You asked for a reference in the Bible. There it is and now you are going to quibble.
I asked for a reference to a dinosaur. That's too vague to count as evidence, and as Tony's post points out, the "behemoth" described in Job does not conform to the physical characteristics of the dinosaur it's supposed to represent.

Then again there were thousands and thousands of dinosaurs, and nobody every bothered to mention it more than once. I mean, the Romans, they got around, and they kept records. But they never saw any dinosaurs. The greeks? The Egyptians? You’d think they’d of had some dinosaurs helping build the pyramids, but moses never mentions any.

I have never understood why people want to insist on the literal truth of the Bible. I suppose it’s easier than questions

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#59

I believe it’s the rain forest that generates rain.
As soon as the “flood” reached the top of the trees, the rain would stop.

If the entire earth was awash, all oxygen would slowly disappear,
and Noah and all his pairs would die soon, long before they could re-populate the earth.
It would take thousands (millions) of years for that water to evaporate., and plant life to basically take hold.
Actually, none of us would be here and the earth would be a gassy planet such as Jupiter.