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How Old is The Earth? Maybe I was wrong

Terry A de C Foley said:
Dear Mr Hill - you accused US of being ignorant, but we did not accuse you of anything except intolerance because we do not share, nor wish to share, in your rather odd version of history.

As I noted, anybody can believe anything they please, from flat-earthism to angels, but posting this belief as though it was established fact and not religious conjecture, and to add to it the assertion that because we do not subscribe to your views we are therefore ignorant, goes way too far down the line for me.

I have not the slightest wish to engage you in a long distant verbal conflict about your version of reality on the private message forum, or anywhere else for that matter.

And as for ignorance, like many folks on this forum, I don’t shout and scream about the learned letters behind my name, but rest assured, even by your exalted standards, I am not the ignoramus you seem to think that I am.

So please give it a rest, or go preach on a corner, but don’t try and inflict your wierdo ideas to me on a TOY TRAIN forum.

tac


It would appear you sir are the one continuing this discussion. Had you not posted at 9:55 MST, I was happy to blend back into the wallpaper.

Just because you have a different faith than someone else is no reason to insult them or their ideas. Admittedly there is science on both sides of this debate, I have only suggested that looking at the one point of view and not considering an alternative to your belief in a godless evolution THEORY is close-minded.

I have posted my last on this. My offer of private discussion still stands.

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It’s certainly close-minded to refuse to consider other points of view. But it’s not close minded to consider them, realize they are completely at odds with objective reality as we know it, and then reject them. That’s just being rational, not being close-minded.

If someone asks me to consider the idea that pigs have wings, and are flying by window even now. I will certainly consider it, and take a look. If there is no evidence of pigs of pigs flying, and if the fact of pigs flying turns out to be, as indeed it has, an anatomical impossibility, then I will reject the idea. It’s not being close minded, it’s being rational

There is no good evidence that dinosaurs and people shared the earth, and a staggering amount of verifiable, repeatable, objectively provable evidence that they did not. So I’m not being close-minded when I conclude your original post is nonsense.

Try reading “In search of Shrodinger’s cat” a book on Quantum mechanics.

the upshot of this is that nothing exists except that which we believe in , something to consider whether you are talking about God, or the Earth, or anything else for that matter.

Regards to all
Dave

Dave Whellum said:
Try reading "In search of Shrodinger's cat" a book on Quantum mechanics.

the upshot of this is that nothing exists except that which we believe in , something to consider whether you are talking about God, or the Earth, or anything else for that matter.

Regards to all
Dave


Similar anomalies (for want of a better word) exist when considering the fabric of space-time as well. The interaction of gravity and the slowing down of time at the approach of the speed of light leads to some rather bizarre conclusions for the finite mind.

I’ll look for the book. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Before time began there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of night. A giant cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so peaceful and silent that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams or motion. From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Om. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. The night had ended. Vishnu awoke. As the dawn began to break, from Vishnu’s navel grew a magnificent lotus flower. In the middle of the blossom sat Vishnu’s servant, Brahma. He awaited the Lord’s command. Vishnu spoke to his servant: ‘It is time to begin.’ Brahma bowed. Vishnu commanded: ‘Create the world.’ A wind swept up the waters. Vishnu and the serpent vanished. Brahma remained in the lotus flower, floating and tossing on the sea. He lifted up his arms and calmed the wind and the ocean. Then Brahma split the lotus flower into three. He stretched one part into the heavens. He made another part into the earth. With the third part of the flower he created the skies. The earth was bare. Brahma set to work. He created grass, flowers, trees and plants of all kinds. To these he gave feeling. Next he created the animals and the insects to live on the land. He made birds to fly in the air and many fish to swim in the sea. To all these creatures, he gave the senses of touch and smell. He gave them power to see, hear and move. The world was soon bristling with life and the air was filled with the sounds of Brahma’s creation.

(http://www.lotussculpture.com/images/1b31frontlight.jpg)

This creation mytholgy predates the Judeo mythology by as much as 2 millenia, so whos right? Two Words Baby! HUBBLE TELESCOPE, look into the night sky, every time you look up your looking back thousand, tens of thousands and millions of years into the past.

(http://www.celestialmonochord.org/log/images/hubble_deep_field.jpg)

This is an image taken by the Hubble of a tiny tiny portion of the sky, it is CRAMMED FULL of GALAXIES, not stars, GALAXIES just like ours, EACH galaxy containing 100’s of millions of stars, just like our own Sun, and they are very very far away, the farthest the Hubble has been able to see is 15 Billion Light years, or 15 BILLION YEARS AGO, beyond that there actually having trouble seeing because all the other older long gone galaxies get in the way. The notion that the Earth is only 6000 years old is absolutly absurd to me, someone might as well try convincing me the Earth is flat and being held up on the back of a giant turtle, which actually was and still is a valid beleive in some parts of the world. Study geology, quantum physics, cosmology, study global continental drift, study dinosuar paleantology, study HUMAN paleantology, geez the evidence is Mt Everest sized next to a small band of religious hardheads waving there bibles around, the notion that they are relative newcomers to the earth, only 100,000 years or so, is something they cannot wrap their tiny minds around. My Universe is absolutly spectacular!!! spanning 15 billions years across, it has no edge and no center, so one can logically say each person is in a way at the center of there own universe, is radiates away from each individual, God and creation is a far more massive concept, in which we as humans are but one part but we are each all connected directly to the divine and to each molecule of the universe, because every atom in your body and mine, every atom that makes up the earth, and solar system was created when a star, or hundreds or thousands of stars past died, and exploded in a Supernova, crushing smaller atoms together creating the heavier atoms like carbon and nitrogen. We are ALL Stardust. :slight_smile:

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/hubble%20v838.jpg)

Victor Smith said:
We are ALL Stardust. :slight_smile:

Wasn’t that a song by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young?..

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TonyWalsham said:
(Name deleted to protect the innocent. :D ) you are simply a [b]Sciolist.
[/b] Tony,

Please don’t tell me that you use this word in daily conversation. I simply won’t believe it.

According to the Free Dictionary, we are all Sciolists. Please wash your hands after, and keep it to yourself.

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TonyWalsham said:
All right, I won't tell you. ;)

If the cap fits a Sciolist, they should wear it proudly. Nothing like showing off ignorance.


I was referring to this, Tony.

“amateur - someone who pursues a study or sport as a pastime”

But, then, you knew that, didn’t you?

Or did you?

One of the problems of using words like this is that they often have meanings that you did not intend. Remember, when you point your finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you.

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Where can I buy a sciolist cap???

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Ah, silly me…shoulda known…

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So Tony, what is the “proof” your version of science is 100% accurate. A buffoon can insist there are flying pigs and if he says it often and loud enough, some will believe him.

I take Wikipedia posts with a grain of salt, but this would be an accurate description from other definitions I have read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Scientific method refers to bodies of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]

Now stop picking on me before I cry. It would also be obvious, if your countrymen are as angry, childish and ignorant as you have portrayed, I can +understand why your government took away your guns. Just saying.

Victor Smith said:
We are ALL Stardust. :)
...and some of us are bullsh*t :)

Actually, I LIKE Terry Pratchett’s version of cosmology - the discworld, resting on the backs of four rather large elephants, all standing on the back of a pretty big turtle, swiiming through the void.

Or my own version of the ineffable deity - a giant and furry vulture, skateboarding around the glaactic rim with sparks from his wheels making up the suns - the Great Fuzzy One, aka the GFO.

However, I firmly bleeve in the scientific version of things, rather than the whole cosmos being but an echo of the whim of a supreme being, who, bored with being ineffable and eternal one afternoon in no-time, said, to nobody in particular, ‘let’s have some light around here…’

tac

David Hill said:
Now stop picking on me before I cry. It would also be obvious, if your countrymen are as angry, childish and ignorant as you have portrayed, I can +understand why your government took away your guns. Just saying.
Now, now, Mr Hill - you are beginning to get very close up and personal here. I suggest you back off while you still can do it with some of your illusions intact.

Reading what you have been assuring us all is nothing less than the divine truth, I cannot imagine for one minute why ANY rational government would trust YOU with any kind of a gun that did not shoot water.

I’m out of this ‘conversation’ but respectfully submit that Mr Hill takes his version of reality someplace else, and talks instead to like-minded persons who will agree with him, rather than to us ‘angy, childish and ignorant’ doubters of his divine visions.

tac

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Are you all finding it difficult to have your firmly held theories challenged? I’ve remained throughout these various discussions, open to any factual evidence refuting my theories of creation, government, history, etc.

None have been presented only opinions, other theories and insults on my character and Christian beliefs. The immediate insulting criticisms, as opposed to any intelligent discussion, is why I have been speculating on the immaturity of some of my detractors.

I was lead to believe (wrongly it seems) that one of the tenets of Liberalism is having an open mind to “progressive” ideas.

Certainly anyone here that professes to have a scientific degree was taught to have an open mind to any “out of the box” thinking and to consider it’s possibility until proven impossible. Neither evolution or Creation is able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Which may be the crux of the problem with some here, reasonable doubt requires the ability to reason.

Now I’ll give each of you your last shot at a return insult, and will consider this topic closed to the childish bantering.

Terry A de C Foley said:
Victor Smith said:
We are ALL Stardust. :)
...and some of us are bullsh*t :)

Actually, I LIKE Terry Pratchett’s version of cosmology - the discworld, resting on the backs of four rather large elephants,…


“…and some of us are bullsh*t :)”

Are they also represented by Elephants?

I personally like some of Douglas Adams creation stories, like the Jatravartid people of Votvoodle 6, who firmly beleive the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a beast called the Great Green Arkleseizure and live in perpetual fear of the Coming of the Great White Hankerchief.

Doug Adams had another theory

"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened. "