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Help Dating Photographs

Can anyone help me identify what year (or range) these photos were likely taken? I figure at least the cars present would be a good indicator, but I’m not a car guy, so help will be appreciated. Also, I know the Budd cars went into service in the 50s, so there’s that. They’re probably all from a similar timeframe, right?
All of these photos are from B&M’s Central Mass line in Hadley. A friend shared them with me. I’ve no idea who took them. Having said that, I’m surprised to see RDCs on the line in Hadley. Passenger service ended there decades prior. Plus, given the poor track quality and speed restrictions at that time, I’m really surprised that they let brand new equipment on the line at all.

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (2)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (3)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (4)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (5)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (6)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (7)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (8)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (9)

Hadley MA Rail shared by Tripp (10)

The RDC’s were all gone by 1971 so there’s that. :smiley:
Could have been a railfan excursion?

Chat GPT says late 70’s early 80’s based off the first photo.

This photo is most likely from the late 1970s to very early 1980s, roughly 1977–1982.

Here’s what points to that range:

  • The bus is a GM “New Look” (“Fishbowl”) transit bus, a model widely used from the 1960s through the early 1980s.
  • The railcar appears to be a Budd RDC (Rail Diesel Car) in a later-era commuter/regional paint scheme associated with northeastern U.S. operations after the original New Haven Railroad era.
  • The styling of the automobiles visible in the image also fits the mid-to-late 1970s.
  • The overall scene — grade crossing hardware, roadway markings, and transit liveries — strongly matches northeastern rail operations around the transition from private railroads to public transit agencies in the late ’70s.

A narrower “best guess” would be around 1978–1980.

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John,
i cannot see The # 0n the SW-1 , but i think it is #1125, which was repainted Blue just prior to the Belchertown head on accident in October 1972 so prior to then for sure. i have 8mm that my dad took of the wheelwright branch operations with the loco in old paint, and wreak photo’s. thought i had the wreak photo’s scanned but cannot find this morning.

Al P.

Craig beat me to it, but this is what Gemini says about the first photo:

While I don’t have access to the explicit embed date of image_bd4922.jpg, we can pinpoint a highly accurate timeframe for when this photo was taken by looking at the specific visual evidence and transportation histories intersecting at this grade crossing:

The Bus (Western Mass. Bus Lines #7313)

The bus is a GMC “Fishbowl” (New Look) transit bus sporting the fleet number 7313 for Western Mass. Bus Lines (operating out of Northampton, MA).

  • GMC utilized a specific dating convention for many transit authorities where the first two digits of the fleet number indicated the delivery year.
  • Fleet delivery records show that bus #7313 was part of a batch delivered in 1973 (specifically around April/September 1973). This gives us a strict hard earliest date (terminus post quem) of mid-to-late 1973.

The Train (Boston and Maine RDC)

The self-propelled passenger car crossing the road is a Budd Rail Diesel Car (RDC) bearing the “interlaced” blue and white Boston and Maine (B&M) railroad herald on its nose.

  • While B&M operated the world’s largest fleet of RDCs, passenger service cuts heavily shrank their footprint over the decades.
  • By the time this bus was delivered in 1973, B&M’s commuter operations were heavily consolidated around the greater Boston area via MBTA subsidies, but a few peripheral operations and Connecticut River Valley lines lingered into the decade. B&M officially entered bankruptcy in 1970 and was eventually absorbed into Pan Am/Guilford industries in 1983, ending the B&M independent corporate era.

The Traffic

The sedan waiting behind the train crossing is a classic mid-1970s American vehicle (resembling a 1973/1974-era Oldsmobile or Buick), further anchoring the scene directly to the era.

Conclusion

Given that the bus was built and delivered in 1973, and the Boston & Maine RDC is still running in its original independent blue-and-white identity before the early 1980s corporate shifts, image_bd4922.jpg was taken in the mid-to-late 1970s (roughly between 1973 and 1979).

Interesting what different AI programs pull and come up with. But both seem to think mid 70’s.

Here is one photo of the 1125 after the incident. defiantly the 1125
1125

Loco was not rebuilt.

AL P.

Puts an upper limit of October 1972 for all the 1125 shots. Pretty cool that you have that wreck photo from your dad, Al.

Per Gemini, there’s a lower limit of Apr-Sep 1973 for the first (and probably second) pic.

A mix of photo dates then, maybe early-mid '70’s.

Here are a couple from the scene of the crime.


Al P.

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Here are a couple i found from when my dad and I chased the Northampton bound extra, i believe on a Saturday


Al P.

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Very cool.

They should have hung a lawnmower on the front for better visibility. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Thanks for sharing these, Al! Any idea where theey were shot besides On The Wheelwright Branch? :grimacing:

Cliff, Its likely these were taken once there were only 3 or 4 trains per week on the line. So, I’m surprised thr grass isnt taller!

I think the first one is at Gilbertville, the other one somewhere back up the line i believe or could be south of rte 32 underpass on the way to forest lake. The B&A wasn’t in very good shape back then either. i need to find the movies.

Al P.

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