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Frustration!

I really need to get a digital camera! I’ve just finished some super-cool new models and want to show them off, but I’m out of film, have some on order but it won’t get here until next week. And then I still have to wait to use up a whole roll before I can get it developed!

I’ve tried everything possible to get pics off my cellphone but it’s just not working out. The only way it can be done is to email the pics to myself but that costs $$$. Probably why they crippled every other method, trying to force you to go that route.

We went full time digital about 7 years ago and I have no regrets. It just fits. We take pictures, store them on the computer, print them out ourselves or have them printed in a book. I take a shot of a model and in five minutes it’s on the web

But I feel about digital cameras sort of the way I feel about CDs or mp3s. They don’t look as good, just like mp3’s don’t sound as good. And just like mp3 the subtle stuff is missing. Maybe it’s just our camera–we have a mid level Canon and it just does not handle bright light as well as any decent film camera. It seems to only be able to expose for one part of the image. There’s no range Shadows come out too black, highlights too light. Or really what I mean is it can hand;e full sun, or shade, but it can’t deal at all with a mix. Film used to just excel in that situation. Our camera’s probably five years old by now–new ones are probably better, but my brother has a really high end Nikon Digital SLR and I see the same thing in his pictures

All about getting us to spend more money on new products to do what the old products did better, at least in some ways

here’s an example–taken in mixed sun and shade. There’s no detail at all in the shadows. It’s nice and sharp, colors are saturated and vibrant, but something’s off and I think it’s the overall sensitivity, kind of like the the harmonic range getting cut out in mps.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/lownote/_forumfiles/cameratest.jpg)

It’s an older camera though, a Canon Powershot s2Is with 5 megapixel resolution. I’m not really sure if a camera with more pixels would be better

Mike, You can tweak em to get what you want, sorta. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/jebouck/test1.jpg)

Sorta…is correct.
Went from a deep royal blue to a slate blue!
Ralph

I’m pretty good with photoshop, and yes, you can tweak them, but look how much got lost. It ought to be possible to have the shadow detail and the saturation and detail in the highlights. Kodachrome did it beautifully. Why does my digital camera have problems with strong light and shade? is it the metering, or the image processing?

I like digital for a lot of things, but image quality is not as good, IMHO. Just as I like mp3s for convenience and storage, but they don’t sound as good. The tweaked phot is the equivalent of boosting the bass and losing all the treble

mike omalley said:
I'm pretty good with photoshop, and yes, you can tweak them, but look how much got lost. It ought to be possible to have the shadow detail and the saturation and detail in the highlights. Kodachrome did it beautifully. Why does my digital camera have problems with strong light and shade? is it the metering, or the image processing?

I like digital for a lot of things, but image quality is not as good, IMHO. Just as I like mp3s for convenience and storage, but they don’t sound as good. The tweaked phot is the equivalent of boosting the bass and losing all the treble


Hi Folks,
it might be true that older digital stuff is not as good, but the newer cameras are getting better every day. i just bought this new digital camera (Panasonic Lumix fx33) Since i am not crazy about taking pictures, i do not want to carry with me that big monster camera, so i was looking in to the pocket size.
First positive surprise with this new camera was, that the price was 1/3 less then my old one, and i was astonished that any small movies i take now, is now shown on the PC full screen and sharp like you expect of a Video cam. Since this new cam has now 8.1 megapixel the cam makes way better pictures, now i can zoom in on my PC and the pic still remains with a higher resolution. I am aware that there where problems in the past with true colors, and who ever cares about true colors, should make him self smart with all the new standards which are always listed. Another positive surprise was to see, that the shutter timing is on this newer cam way shorter, pictures can be taken with a short time in between. There are so many improvements to my older Camera that it would take pages to list them all. My older camera i bought 3 years ago, and it is amazing to see how much better newer cameras are, so my point again, digital cameras getting better every day, and the price of $150 for a full set is a absolute hit.
http://www.wegotbetterdeals.com/panasonic-lumix-dmcfx33-81-megapixel-36x-optical-4x-digital-zoom-digital-camera-refurbished--p-1329.html

be aware that there are already cameras out there which succeed mine, cameras which have already 10.1 megapixel, and that for a price of just $375.
Be aware that if you have a camera with more megapixel, you need also a bigger memory card in the cam, and a PC which has a big enough hard drive. Storing Digital pictures fills up quickly any memory.
http://www.wegotbetterdeals.com/panasonic-dmcfx500s-lumix-101megapixel-compact-digital-camera-with-30in-diagonal-touchscreen-lcd-25mm-wideangle-lens-optical-zoom-intelligent-auto-mode-and-output-black-p-1332.html

think global Pius

mike omalley said:
I'm pretty good with photoshop, and yes, you can tweak them, but look how much got lost. It ought to be possible to have the shadow detail and the saturation and detail in the highlights. Kodachrome did it beautifully. Why does my digital camera have problems with strong light and shade? is it the metering, or the image processing?

I like digital for a lot of things, but image quality is not as good, IMHO. Just as I like mp3s for convenience and storage, but they don’t sound as good. The tweaked phot is the equivalent of boosting the bass and losing all the treble


Mike,

The answer to the problem is HDR (High Dynamic Range) imaging. Check this to start..

BTW image quality depends on the capture and render equipment.

PJ said:
… be aware that there are already cameras out there which succeed mine, cameras which have already 10.1 megapixel, and that for a price of just $375. Be aware that if you have a camera with more megapixel, you need also a bigger memory card in the cam, and a PC which has a big enough hard drive. Storing Digital pictures fills up quickly any memory. http://www.wegotbetterdeals.com/panasonic-dmcfx500s-lumix-101megapixel-compact-digital-camera-with-30in-diagonal-touchscreen-lcd-25mm-wideangle-lens-optical-zoom-intelligent-auto-mode-and-output-black-p-1332.html think global Pius

Hmmmmmmmmm yes, like the DMC-TZ5 I carry with me just about anywhere I go. :wink:

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/hj/_forumfiles/SunRise02_s.jpg)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/hj/_forumfiles/SunRise01_s.jpg)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/hj/_forumfiles/SunRise03_s.jpg)

Fits very neatly in my shirtpocket and has a 28 - 280mm lens. :wink: Along with all the bells and whistles including EV bracketing. PS Sunrise in Nova Scotia, first day it was almost completely clear, the second day was more interesting with the clouds and the light banding.

I’ve found there to be very little–if any–difference between shooting film vs. digital. With film, you pick your camera, then pick your film based on how it responds to contrasts and colors. They are two distinct choices. With digital, you have to blend the two. You have to pick your camera taking its sensor into consideration. Fortunately today’s sensors are way ahead of where they were even 5 years ago, so you can get fantastic color/contrast response from mid-grade cameras today.

The quintessential difference between the two media lies not in the acquisition, but the distribution. So long as the sensor/film picks up the detail, it can be pulled and printed. The trick is doing it. In the film world, you’re at the mercy of filters, dodging, burning, and other tricks. If you’re just dropping off your film to be returned on 4x6 prints, you’re in even less control. But even in the best case scenario, all is based solely on the performance of the paper you’re printing on. In the digital world, you’re actually at that same mercy. The paper (or printer) will be the ultimate determination of what the image looks like. With a digital darkroom (either using a digital image to start, or scanning a slide/negative), you’ve got much more creative control to match the process to the output. I’ve got a collection of 60+ year old large-format negatives which are chock full of detail not seen in the black-and-white prints that were made from them. In the digital world, I can pull that information out without spending 3 hours in the darkroom on a single print. I can then tweak the image’s contrast properties to match the printer which will ultimately be printing them for maximum effect. (I can also pre-select a specific profile to apply to all images if I wanted to, instead of having to do everything manually.)

On the other side of the coin, the weakness of electronic distribution is that you have absolutely no control over how your image will be displayed anywhere else. Every monitor is different. What looks well-balanced in terms of light and shadow on my screen may look ultra-contrasty on yours. There’s a big discrepancy between my monitors and my wife’s. Hers displays brighter, so what looks over-exposed on hers looks fine on mine. Whose is right? Also, different software may shade the image one way or another. On my computer, an image displayed through Firefox doesn’t have the saturation as the same image displayed on Safari. It is entirely possible to condemn the performance of a camera based solely on the performance of the monitor–much like condemning a film based solely on the resulting print.

I will say there are some properties of film that I have yet to mimic with a digital camera. I loved shooting Ectachrome 400 for nighttime time exposures. There was just something about its performance that I have yet to be able to duplicate doing time exposures with a digital camera. But since that’s one item out of 300 others that favor digital, I think I can live with the sacrifice. :slight_smile:

Later,

K

Mine is a real el-cheapo. Takes 3MP photos. Given reasonable light, they usually turn out nice. I see the hundred-dollar cameras at Wal*Mart these days are 10MP :o

I just saw this in today’s paper…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080921/ap_on_bi_ge/tec_kodachrome_s_demise

Later,

K