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...found these elsewhere. (Old news, but IMO kind of scary)

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#1

A politics discussion on another board brought these to light. I missed it before…my fault for not paying closer attention.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207159750412&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Since they are admittedly both CONSERVATIVE sources, the spin is there, of course. But if the stated facts are really as presented… Even most radical “pro-choice” supporters don’t go THAT far…at least in public.

I thought McCain was just the lesser of two evils, but THIS is just outright EVIL… Most of us believe that when infanticide happens in China or India it’s “barbaric”, but if it happens in an Illinois hospital Obama thinks it is (was) OK?

And what about others who are “unwanted” and unable to speak for themselves? Where IS the line? Something to think about… think HARD.

#2

I HAD to add this analysis…

From where I sit, the question is not complex, it’s not open to debate, interpretation, or subterfuge. Nor is it subjective to emotion, sensationalism, partisanship, or anything else EXCEPT playing GOD.

It is an OBJECTIVE compound LEGAL question.

First part- Are ALL human beings entitled to EQUAL treatment (medical or otherwise) and rights under US law? YES OR NO?

Second part- Since Roe V Wade it has been LEGALLY accepted that a fetus isn’t a human being until BIRTH (Agree with it or not, that part wasn’t even being challenged here). Ergo, all religious mumbo jumbo, and even ethical bullshit aside. These children SURVIVED being born, and are NOW breathing on their own (if only for a brief period of time without intervention). Do they now fit the LEGAL definition of “human”? YES OR NO?

THOSE were the questions the lawmakers were asked to answer, and they did, and that answer was OVERWELMINGLY “YES”, we ARE, and they DO.

BUT Sen. Obama’s answer to it was “NO”, not just ONCE, but repeatedly, so I ask again “”"“THEN WHERE DOES HE DRAW THE LINE???”""" Without that answer I sure as HELL don’t think him qualified to be dog catcher, let alone president.

Satan, if you read beyond the children’s tales, is NOT some horror in horns and goat hooves with a pointed tail, but a handsome articulate talented (once angelic) being. Likewise EVIL itself is not always obvious at first glance. THIS my friends IS simply evil – because if the RIGHTS of a helpless infant, which IS fully separate from it’s mother, as human being are open to “interpretation”, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?. Once again “WHERE IS THE LINE???”

Will somebody answer that, PLEASE?

#3

The facts of the matter (if you care to read them) - http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf#page=86

Obama’s argument against that particular bill was that it was a bill that could be interpreted as ban on all abortions and thus would be unconstitutional under the Roe v. Wade ruling. Whether you’re pro-choice or pro-life is your own personal matter but lets do a bit of research before posting garbage here.

-Brian

#4
Brian Donovan said:
The facts of the matter (if you care to read them) - http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf#page=86

Obama’s argument against that particular bill was that it was a bill that could be interpreted as ban on all abortions and thus would be unconstitutional under the Roe v. Wade ruling. Whether you’re pro-choice or pro-life is your own personal matter but lets do a bit of research before posting garbage here.

-Brian


“Garbage” is defined as YOU disagree with it? After all the speculative, partisan and outright nasty stuff posted here about Gov Palin?

Please READ MY SECOND post… While I thank you for helping clarify Sen Obama’s stated position, I find it disingenuous at best.

Add to this the fact that although he teaches a Constitutional Law class at Widener Law School, Sen Biden totally blew it during the debate on what the job of vice president actually IS (and even which PART of the Constitution spells it OUT), makes me question a LOT of things about the suitablility for office of the Democratic Party’s nominees. If it doesn’t bother YOU, that’s fine, I guess.

#5

Here’s some more for ya, Mik…

http://townhall.com/Columnists/KathrynJeanLopez/2008/10/10/the_obama_abortion_menace?page=full

#6

I’m not even arguing abortion right or wrong, but BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. How can the SAME people who have roasted Shrub over his “rights violations” in Guantanamo Bay, who’s denizens have ACTIVELY tried to destroy America, say it doesn’t matter if someone, who’s only “crime” was to be the unintended consequence of an irresponsible act, and has already survived against great odds, is denied even the basic right to live?

Stripping “undesirables” of their humanity is historically the first step of a lot of rulers that history calls “Evil”…Darling Adolf, and Unkel Josef come immediately to mind. No, I don’t think Obama is in their league, but I DO find his ethical relativity troubling.

#7

Well, Mik, he is a lawyer and there is a paradox at work here. When polled about who they trust (by occupation), people have consistently ranked Doctors and Teachers at the top of the list, and Lawyers at or near the bottom. In a 2006 Harris Poll, lawyers would have maintained their position at the bottom of the trustworthiness barrel, except for the fact that the Pollster included Actors as a new choice. Actors are now at the bottom of the list, bumping Lawyers up a notch to second least trustworthy.

Lawyers are trained to put the truth in their back pocket, lest they be tempted to violate a client’s right to representation. Not withstanding the fact that lawyers will argue the notion, many will have a difficult time finding the contents of their back pocket outside of the lawyer-client setting. Everyone tends to become what we practice. Physicians are not expected to leave their medical knowledge at the clinic.

The simple fact of the matter is that the bill he voted against in Illinois was essentially the same bill that passed in the U.S. Senate. It seems that in order to maintain a sense of normalcy, lawyers have no choice but to adopt an altered view of truth.

Americans have a lot of common-sense wisdom in their gut, and in that light they have ranked lawyers near or at the bottom of the trustworthiness scale. Nevertheless, voters have consistently put those they find least trustworthy (lawyers) in power. Fifty-nine lawyer Senators (59%) and one-hundred seventy-four lawyer Representatives (40%) were elected to the 110th Congress.

None of this makes a bit of sense. Americans have entrusted their most precious asset (this unique country) to people they trust the least, and according to recent polls, voters are thinking about putting another lawyer in power, Barack Obama.

#8

I’ve determined that I’m a 1 Issue Candidate:

If you kill babies,or your vote allows; you do not get mine. Simple as that.

I personally believe that much of the Chaos and Strain this Country finds itself in, is directly related to the fact it no longer (hasn’t in over 35+ years) considers the Creation of life precious.

Cale, Dad of IV

#9

Really? so a woman s raped, and gets pregnant, she has to bear the rapist’s baby? And you’d vote for the person who forces that woman to carry the baby against her will, disregarding al other issues?

A candidate who forces a woman to carry to term a bay she does not want to bear will generally not get my vote.

#10

Yep, it wasn’t the child’s fault (nor the raped woman, to be inserted (bad pun) into the situation but there is hope…ya see, there exist a fine alternative to the entire Abortion deal that no one wants to discuss…Adoption…it works, just ask my Eli and Luke…Unplanned, Unwanted, but not Unloved…there is a choice, it’s just not the one that gets the spotlight.

My fav bumper sticker: “aren’t you glad your mom was pro life”

cale

#11
Cale Nelson said:
I've determined that I'm a 1 Issue Candidate:

If you kill babies,or your vote allows; you do not get mine. Simple as that.

I personally believe that much of the Chaos and Strain this Country finds itself in, is directly related to the fact it no longer (hasn’t in over 35+ years) considers the Creation of life precious.

Cale, Dad of IV


Amen Cale, Amen.

#12

never mind

#13

Cale Nelson said:
Yep, it wasn’t the child’s fault (nor the raped woman, to be inserted (bad pun) into the situation but there is hope…ya see, there exist a fine alternative to the entire Abortion deal that no one wants to discuss…Adoption…it works, just ask my Eli and Luke…Unplanned, Unwanted, but not Unloved…there is a choice, it’s just not the one that gets the spotlight. My fav bumper sticker: “aren’t you glad your mom was pro life” cale

Good for you!!

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#14

in regards to first post of mine above, I incorrectly identified myself as a “Candidate”, I meant to say “Voter”…sorry! of course you can read my sig line for the reasoning for the typo.