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#21

geoff george said:
I have a question. If I were to go to that other site and ask how do I get a non-LGB loco to work with all my LGB stuff so that switches will work off the mag trips would I be tossed out? I run a mix of LGB, Aristo, Beckmann, USA, ect on my layout. I’m guessing that is the same for most of us and most people in this hobbie. I am not going to that site to questions answerd. I will stick with this site. You all seem a lot nicer and much more open to helping out everyone.

your likely answer:

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#22

Thanks Victor I feel so much better now. :slight_smile:

#23
LES DITTRICH said:
Well, I looked today and can't seem to find the exact thread and post on the family forum where all this is supposed to have originated. ... Les
Les, there are several threads there, with (final to date) note of guidelines upload (you need to be a member to access) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2754 it all originated from this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2482 and this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2484 and so on... some replies are grouped in a long list below the message but you will never get the entire picture even by scanning all individual postings since the moderator removed some of his own postings (plus follow up) if I am correct. Nevertheless, some (remaining) highlights are here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2718 (sadly the "drunks" post tremoved) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2600 (sadly response removed) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LGBFamily/message/2532 HOpe this helps, Zubi
#24

I witnessed a different LGB thought pattern a week ago. However, this could have been around for awhile as I pay little attention to what comes from any individual manufacturer, unless it meets the requirements I’m looking for. If the product was not produced in the “Homeland”, it is not a real LGB product. Yeah, right. :wink: We got a little enjoyment out of every problem that occured being labeled as “non-German”. The offending one got the idea pretty quick, that he wasn’t amongst the proper “koolaid drinkers”.

#25

Dear Zubi,
Thanks for that. It explains alot.
I never did pay that much attention to the forum and didn’t really want to spoil my whole evening.
I can sort of understand a manufacturer limiting activity on their own forum if their own products are being negatively criticised to an unjustified degree. No-one wants a potential customer to turn up at their site and see lots of posts saying their products are crap.
However, the joke, and it really is a joke, is that the family forum is not a manufacturer forum but a plain and simple yahoo group - trying to pretend it is a manufacturer forum. The UK forum I frequent has none of these irksome rules - people talk about anything they want to.
If LGBOA decides to distribute dolls houses will that become an acceptable topic for discussion. I can’t wait.
Rgds
Les

#26
Victor Smith said:
Hi Zubi, as for the Family forum, they have had a one product biased from the start but this is getting absurd, ...
Hi Victor, I believe things changed there. DaveB. used to run the gscalegroup and started the family forum and in my memory, never exercised excessive (if any) "moderation", but a pretty healthy LGB focus.
Victor Smith said:
Got a bitch? go take it elsewhere, dont like the way something performs? get lost, like one product over the other, leave the room, want to know whats best for your application? go jump in a lake, it all amounts to two words:

GO AWAY


I did;-(

The funny thing is that I have been a steadfast supporter of LGB for the last 20 years and I am pretty determined to defend most aspects of LGB-ism, but not on a censored forum.

Victor Smith said:
How are you supposed to discuss what product is best for your situation? or how to solve a problem that may be related to a repair used on another product?
As you say, giving the product a proper context and evaluation requires comparison with other products and naming other options. Every objective review is done this way.
Victor Smith said:
Wow, I guess the LGB Family site has finally been reduced to the mutual masterbation society. Your only welcome if your stroking the product. Sorry if anyone feels thats a rather graphic description but jeeeez, its pretty accurate.
Hmmm, now you said it, this brings back the memories of the early days of the Internet, with the old dilemma what the LGB abbreviation really stands for... a quick search back then used to deliver neither Little Golden Books nor Laser Guided Bombs...

Best wishes, Zubi

#27

“a quick search back then used to deliver neither Little Golden Books nor Laser Guided Bombs…”

A person also has to include in that search the references to “Lesbians, Gays and Bi-Sexuals”. Which was quickly added to the search for “White House” and a porn site would pop up. Of course, in the late 1990’s that was made true to even locations at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It seems history is always interesting, but when searching a person will find the info they want, but also may find more than was expected. :wink:

#28

Ric, that’s correct. and these references topped the search for LGB for quite a few years… Zubi

#29
Zbigniew Struzik said:
Victor Smith said:
Hi Zubi, as for the Family forum, they have had a one product biased from the start but this is getting absurd, ...
Hi Victor, I believe things changed there. DaveB. used to run the gscalegroup and started the family forum and in my memory, never exercised excessive (if any) "moderation", but a pretty healthy LGB focus.
Hi Zubi,

Actually the G Scale Group has always been run by Frances (Dave B’s ex). LGB Family was started as a temporary stop-gap measure even prior to the LGB Club Forum going off-line. (Now there was a bit of foresight, eh!)

I find the “Family Feud” very good entertainment. :confused:

#30
Kevin Strong said:
... Alas, by that time, there were more in the club intent on collecting LGB than actually running and modifying them, so the die was cast and the group lost a lot of members as a result.

You get what you ask for.

Later,

K


K, I think this theory does not quite work since for one example, I classify pretty much as a collector I guess, I hardly have enough time to maintain and run my live steamers so all electric LGB and compatibles (Aster, KISS, Dingler, Scheba, KTM/Sunset, etc.) just “get collected”… Probably, this is also not related to the amount of money since these (brass) compatibles usually cost more than LGB… -

Bart Salmons said:
... There is a faction of the railroad hobby called 'collectors' and a faction of that known as "Red Box Zealots". ... You will also note, that these types are generally the folks who's idea of 'modeling' is to throw money at the hobby. I've always thought of this as being some sort of copensation at something. ....
- and if you look at live steam, Bert, some single Aster engines which my steamup pals here run, cost more than most of these entire LGB `collections'... In other words, where the 'RBZ' phenomenon comes from, if it indeed exists as you describe it, is quite beyond me, but it cannot be the value or the collecting approach only, best wishes, Zubi

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#31
Curmudgeon said:
Ah, yes, the "Polk Limitation of Discussion" rules. Ended up with LXX or UXX or BXXXXXXX. Typical of McMoron. He wanted a rule here where he could forbid CERTAIN PEOPLE from answering his dissertations.

All he really ever wanted in life, it would seem, is absolute control and the position of “moderator”.

Looks like he got his wish.


Dave, :wink:

He’s also the owner! Mind you it is still a free forum i.e. YAHOO! provides it free of charge and the members accept the ads and whatever else YAHOO! decides could be to their own advantage.

#32
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Hi Zubi,

Actually the G Scale Group has always been run by Frances (Dave B’s ex).


Hi Hans-Joerg, well in the later stage yes, but not neccesarily in the beginning. Frances signed her posting for the first time February 1999 half a year after the group has been established. Anyway, both of them were the driving force behind the forum then but in all practical terms, I suppose Dave established the forum and gave the ownership to LGB Telegram which by then meant mostly Frances. But I may remember it wrong of course, Best, Zubi

#33

Hi Zubi,

Since I joined the LS fraternity only in 1999/2000 I defer to your recollection. Frances was the only owner/moderator I ever knew on G Scale Group, Dave acted as the liaison to LGBoA/EPL. :wink: :slight_smile:
I got the benefit of a few “that is proprietary information” replies to my detailed, precise technical questions. I was not impressed! :wink: :slight_smile:

#34
Kevin Strong said:
Sadly, the "rules" reflect the mentality that the LGB club has had for decades. I recall a good while back sitting in on the general membership meeting at a BTO club convention when they were debating whether to limit the focus of the club specifically to LGB or include emerging brands into the fold and be--as the name at the time [i]seemed[/i] to indicate--open to all "big trains." Alas, by that time, there were more in the club intent on collecting LGB than actually running and modifying them, so the die was cast and the group lost a lot of members as a result.

You get what you ask for.

Later,

K


Kevin,

That was only part of the story, LGBoA/EPL went as far as telling the LGBMRRC that other mfgs displays had no business at the LGBMRRC convention if LGBoA/EPL was THE sponsor. Actually pretty logical, given the German mindset! (there’s experience talking, especially as it applies to Bavaria!) :wink: :slight_smile:

#35

Oh yes, elaborating on the “entertainment quotient”; the greatest laugh can be had by reading some of the technical tips, assumptions, observations etc. etc. that show up. In some instances it is a whole new world of physics.
Of course not a surprise when one checks “Who posted this?”. :wink: :slight_smile:

#36

Hans-Joerg, what is wrong with physics? Best, Zubi

#37
Zbigniew Struzik said:
Hans-Joerg, what is wrong with physics? Best, Zubi
Zubi,

Nothing wrong with physics, it’s when they get “reinvented” that things get interesting. If memory serves there was the one thread expounding on the “laws” that apply to keeping rolling stock on the tracks. Made for a few good laughs.

#38

when i was in the liquor wholesale distributing business it was common for larger co. to carp up or buy out the little companies, and then form even bigger ones eliminating the small competition i suppose. at any rate doesnt suprise me about lgb.

#39
jerry hansen said:
when i was in the liquor wholesale distributing business it was common for larger co. to carp up or buy out the little companies, and then form even bigger ones eliminating the small competition i suppose. at any rate doesnt suprise me about lgb.
Jerry,

Quite true, but it isn’t the normal routine that you take certain steps in order to try and preempt some people - in this case the banks - and then end up with “nothing”. OTOH when it’s all said and done you will be in a position to be a consultant to others on “how not to do things”. :wink: :slight_smile:

#40

its a dog eat dog world the only people who will help you is YOU yourself and nobody else, i’m finding this out i need ssi and or disability now and cant get either one i owned my own business which failed due to Wally Weird coming in and killing me (dont give me the right for competition attitude) they kill the small business when they come to town, and now because i was self employed, not enough credits over the last 10yrs, and i have a couple of assets worked my butt off for before i bought the business cant get anything even with the assistance of a Liar, i mean Lawyer, cant even get food stamps nothing! Even the liars i mean lawyers said i was at a dead end all because im honest, loyal hardworking and not a member of the green people brigade!!! “Lifes a B–ch, and then you marry one and then you Die” huh truth speakath!!!speakeeth???