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EPLehmann does not wish to produce LGB in China

Apparently, Herr Schöntag indicated in a television interview that
EPLehmann does not wish to produce LGB in China:

“Heute kam um ca. 18:30 Uhr im Bayerischen Fernsehen ein TV Bericht
über die LGB, einschließlich einen Interviews mit Herrn Schöntag, über
die Zukunft von Lehmann. U.a. Will er nicht mehr in China produzieren,
sondern wieder in Deutschland und es soll ein Rorstift angesetzt
werden, allerdings nicht beim personal. Herr Schöntag meinte, die
Kunden würden made in China wieder zurück in das Regal stellen und
mehr kaufen, wenn es Made in Germany ist. Also zumindest ich mache es
so. Wie macht, bzw. haltet ihr das?”

HJ, if you would translate for the nice folks. Vielen Dank.

The Lone Railroader said:
Apparently, Herr Schöntag indicated in a television interview that EPLehmann does not wish to produce LGB in China:

“Heute kam um ca. 18:30 Uhr im Bayerischen Fernsehen ein TV Bericht
über die LGB, einschließlich einen Interviews mit Herrn Schöntag, über
die Zukunft von Lehmann. U.a. Will er nicht mehr in China produzieren,
sondern wieder in Deutschland und es soll ein Rorstift angesetzt
werden, allerdings nicht beim personal. Herr Schöntag meinte, die
Kunden würden made in China wieder zurück in das Regal stellen und
mehr kaufen, wenn es Made in Germany ist. Also zumindest ich mache es
so. Wie macht, bzw. haltet ihr das?”

HJ, if you would translate for the nice folks. Vielen Dank.


OK, but this one is strictly what someone recalls from what he saw on TV, no recording of the actual interview!

German TV viewer said:
Bavarian TV broadcast a segment regarding LGB on Feb 6th at approx. 18:30; including an interview with Hermann Schöntag concerning the future of Lehmann. Amongst other things he would like to discontinue production in China and produce in Germany. He will also sharpen his pencil to achieve savings, but those do not include the personnel/employees. Mr. Schöntag mentioned that customers would often put the "Made in China" product back on the shelf and would buy more if it were "Made in Germany". At least that's how I do it. How do you react?
[i] The last two sentences are comments from the German forum poster[/i]

BTW that poster has a similar relationship to LGB as some of those we know from the NA fora. :wink: :slight_smile:

My german is quite rusty, so will wait for the translation, but…

I wonder if LGB will offer a buy back for the items produced in China,
purchased by individuals that were under the impression
that the products were made in Germany,
by German Craftsmen, being sold at LGB euro manufacture prices?

Dave…

gloria & david said:
My german is quite rusty, so will wait for the translation, but...

I wonder if LGB will offer a buy back for the items produced in China,
purchased by individuals that were under the impression
that the products were made in Germany,
by German Craftsmen, being sold at LGB euro manufacture prices?

Dave…


David

Tongue in cheek on:

Sure they will! Perhaps they will even exchange those items, just as soon as they have their German equivalents on hand.

Tongue in cheek off!

BTW, just to make sure things get not “interpreted”, I have quite a few LGB Made in China items. No, they are not exactly the same as the stuff out of Germany - even though some of the LGB flacks were trying to tell us there was no difference - but they are certainly “good enough” for my requirements. But then as I mentioned many times, I’m not a collector!

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
The Lone Railroader said:
Apparently, Herr Schöntag indicated in a television interview that EPLehmann does not wish to produce LGB in China:

“Heute kam um ca. 18:30 Uhr im Bayerischen Fernsehen ein TV Bericht
über die LGB, einschließlich einen Interviews mit Herrn Schöntag, über
die Zukunft von Lehmann. U.a. Will er nicht mehr in China produzieren,
sondern wieder in Deutschland und es soll ein Rorstift angesetzt
werden, allerdings nicht beim personal. Herr Schöntag meinte, die
Kunden würden made in China wieder zurück in das Regal stellen und
mehr kaufen, wenn es Made in Germany ist. Also zumindest ich mache es
so. Wie macht, bzw. haltet ihr das?”

HJ, if you would translate for the nice folks. Vielen Dank.


OK, but this one is strictly what someone recalls from what he saw on TV, no recording of the actual interview!

German TV viewer said:
Bavarian TV broadcast a segment regarding LGB on Feb 6th at approx. 18:30; including an interview with Hermann Schöntag concerning the future of Lehmann. Amongst other things he would like to discontinue production in China and produce in Germany. He will also sharpen his pencil to achieve savings, but those do not include the personnel/employees. Mr. Schöntag mentioned that customers would often put the "Made in China" product back on the shelf and would buy more if it were "Made in Germany". At least that's how I do it. How do you react?
[i] The last two sentences are comments from the German forum poster[/i]

BTW that poster has a similar relationship to LGB as some of those we know from the NA fora. :wink: :slight_smile:


Translation from the American perspective.
“…Mr. Schöntag mentioned that [EUROPEAN] customers would often put the “Made in China” product back on the shelf and would buy more if it were “Made in Germany”. At least that’s how I do it [a EUROPEAN Speaking]. How do you react?..”

How do I react?..I read “Eurocentricy” and “Chinapobia”
I react thru my pocketbook, I dont give a fig if its made in Germany, China, Korea, or MARS for that matter, if its good and it works and I CAN AFFORD IT… WhooHoo!

This doesnt surprise me, same old- same old is what I now expect. Only with an increasingly Myopic focus on Europe for ELP, and dont count on any lower prices.

Interesting thing will be to see what LGBofA does…will they be truely independant and continue to offer more lower price MIC offerings that compete directly with B’mann or AC, or will they fall in line with the MIG mindset, raise prices, and continue to take it in the pants in the USA.

Victor Smith said:
Translation from the American perspective. "....Mr. Schöntag mentioned that [EUROPEAN] customers would often put the "Made in China" product back on the shelf and would buy more if it were "Made in Germany". At least that's how I do it [a EUROPEAN Speaking]. How do you react?..."

How do I react?..I read “Eurocentricy” and “Chinapobia”
I react thru my pocketbook, I dont give a fig if its made in Germany, China, Korea, or MARS for that matter, if its good and it works and I CAN AFFORD IT… WhooHoo!

This doesnt surprise me, same old- same old is what I now expect. Only with an increasingly Myopic focus on Europe for ELP, and dont count on any lower prices.

Interesting thing will be to see what LGBofA does…will they be truely independant and continue to offer more lower price MIC offerings that compete directly with B’mann or AC, or will they fall in line with the MIG mindset, raise prices, and continue to take it in the pants in the USA.


Hey Vic, :wink:

Remember I just do the translating and perhaps comment on the respective sources.

OTOH you have a point :wink: ; now the three handed lawyer would say OTTH “remember the howling from certain corners regarding the “Made in China” stuff from LGB”.

Some people thought that the stuff needed to be boycotted at all costs, while they were sitting down on a “Made in China” chair in front of the “Made in China” monitor, typing on a “Made in China” keyboard, while sipping whatever out of a “Made in China” cup.
What those “highly pragmatic and rational” people forget: the Chinese have proven that they can produce any number of fine items provided the company that orders the stuff establishes a tightly controlled QC protocol which is followed to the “T”.

Of course the other thought regarding the LGBoA possibility is:

Supposedly EPL unloaded LGBoA because it was a drain on the bottom line. At least that’s how it was spun in Europe!

Now that company has to buy whatever from EPLehmann at whatever price level EPLehmann sets or they can start their own supply line; from track all the way through to spareparts, accessories etc. etc. or they can acquire the distributor ship for a number of different lines, which will require tons of effort in the marketing department.

As Tony keeps pointing out “Follow the money”; that’s what it will come down to.

From my perspective LGB (as a product name) on either side of the pond will need deep pockets to retain market share! If you can’t supply product, you’re dinned!

Hans…
Sorry that you took my post seriously…
It was tongue in cheek…

Ii’s a world manufacturing economy today.
My Japanese pickup truck was built in Tennasee.
My Chrysler PT Cruiser was built with the
majority of parts made in Canada.
Mercedes-Benzes have disc brake calipers
manufactured in a small foundry in Indiana.
Dodge extended cab trucks are built in Matamoros, Mexico.
I suppose I could go on and on…

Dave…

Any my Flathead Fords were NOT built in the Far Eat.
Nor my RCS vacuum-tube cabinet radio.
Nor my Gilfillan desktop set.
Nor my Hallicrafters vacuum-tube short-wave receiver.
Nor my WE dial phone.
Nor my 1929 vintage farmhouse.
Nor my die-cast half-zero trains.
Nor ANY of my 3-rail Lionel.
Nor ANY of my 2-rail “0”.

There are some things that you’re stuck with, but if you can draw a line…

And, with the “new” pricing out of PRC, and then the QC issues (and if you want a real eye-opener, look at the OGR 3-rail forum under "MTH Frames Warping), be prepared for the PRC pricing to do the same thing the folks who brought us Pearl Harbour did.

They’re gonna run out of cheap labour pools pretty quick.

gloria & david said:
Hans… Sorry that you took my post seriously… It was tongue in cheek… Ii’s a world manufacturing economy today. My Japanese pickup truck was built in Tennasee. My Chrysler PT Cruiser was built with the majority of parts made in Canada. Mercedes-Benzes have disc brake calipers manufactured in a small foundry in Indiana. Dodge extended cab trucks are built in Matamoros, Mexico. I suppose I could go on and on… Dave…

Dave, :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: Would you like a Tongue in Cheek smiley?

Just copy and save in your arsenal (wherever you stash your graphics on the Internet!). Warning: To be used with Caution and Restraint, some people are allergic to smileys! :smiley: :wink: :smiley:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
[b][i]OK, but this one is strictly what someone recalls from what he saw on TV, no recording of the actual interview![/b][/i]
German TV viewer said:
Bavarian TV broadcast a segment regarding LGB on Feb 6th at approx. 18:30; including an interview with Hermann Schöntag concerning the future of Lehmann. Amongst other things he would like to discontinue production in China and produce in Germany. He will also sharpen his pencil to achieve savings, but those do not include the personnel/employees. Mr. Schöntag mentioned that customers would often put the "Made in China" product back on the shelf and would buy more if it were "Made in Germany". At least that's how I do it. How do you react?
[i] The last two sentences are comments from the German forum poster[/i]

BTW that poster has a similar relationship to LGB as some of those we know from the NA fora. :wink: :slight_smile:


To make it perfectly clear to anybody - even those from “over there” who read here, but don’t always understand what they read (no, that is not restricted to those whose first language isn’t English!) - I added a bit of italics and bolding.

BTW one of the members on the RhB Forum saw the same TV report, I asked for a copy (if by chance he taped it!?!).

As far as the originator of that post, I always have the box of salt handy when reading his stuff. Just like I do when I read the stuff from a trio of amateur flacks, with limited comprehension, on this side of the pond. :wink: :slight_smile: