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Electrifying projects

Hi all,

Worked on the project that was supposed to happen last weekend, four inches of fresh snow nixed it then. Super weather the past two days!

OK up were: install wiring on the raised portion. That meant one 3/4" conduit with 2 pairs of AWG12 and a spare wire to pull in more wires if and as required. One pair as the DCC bus, second pair for DC.
A 1/2" conduit with a 4 pair cable for the CAN-Bus, a 2 pair cable for auxilliary and a AWG 14/3 for AC (accessories) - with the thought “make it heavy enough for expansion”! (Did I ever mention that my friends back East were of the opinion that my power supplies for the HOm layout could just about power the Toronto Transit system? :wink: :slight_smile: )

Big project this week in the garage, more on that later.

Wires?
For outdoor railways?
How dinosaur-ish!

I like your conduit sizes. I used 20mm, and would use 25mm if I had to do it again.

Curmudgeon said:
Wires? For outdoor railways? How dinosaur-ish!
I'll second that!, he says, raising his glass!
John Bouck said:
Curmudgeon said:
Wires? For outdoor railways? How dinosaur-ish!
I'll second that!, he says, raising his glass!
Watching a guy one afternoon wrestling with a T/E to control his live steamer, having forgotten that it was a 'hands-on' version, I almost sprayed my cake over the host.

If the GFO had intended a steam train to be controlled by twiddling knobs and wires, HE would have made electric coal to run it on.

I could never see how you could hook up a loco to the controller, me. Wouldn’t the control wire get all tangled up as it moved around the layout, or have I go the wrong idea about it all? :wink:

tac

Curmudgeon said:
Wires? For outdoor railways? How dinosaur-ish!
Dave,

That was the only way I saw to join that exclusive Dino-club of yours! :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: But hell, just imagine what “Stan the Socket-Man” (no, no, that is NOT the Rocket Man!) will say when he reads about it.

Of course there won’t be a problem to run battery or Livesteam on my layout, just make sure them axles are &$% insulated! Will be OK to run DC, too; but DCC is the preferred mode.

BTW passing comment from SWMBO: I really think we should have automatic operation and just sit and watch; who wants to be walking along with a train and do switching!?!
Yes, Dear! :wink: :slight_smile:

I’ll make sure my axles are shorted…

HJ,
I used to follow the train around manually switching and then saw the light. I set about electrifying all the switches. Now the problem is remembering which electric momentary switch controls which track selection.

I guess I’m just a young dinosaur. I run track power. Mostly because I need it to run for 6 to 10 hours non-stop and MONEY. that batt stuff an’t cheep. I guess I need to get a rich wife so I can afford this hobby. :slight_smile:

Oi! How 2nd millennium! :smiley:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Hi all,

A 1/2" conduit with a 4 pair cable for the CAN-Bus,


Hans - What do you have in mind for the CAN-Bus ?

Del,

CAN-Bus is what ZIMO uses to interconnect control components i.e. anything that doesn’t connect to the DCC bus. It’s very fast and stable, with a lot of capacity.

OK back to the Dino Project

(http://lscdata.com/users/curmudgeon/Tyrannosaur.jpg)

(my apologies to Dave G, I just couldn’t find a more appropriate one!) Powersupplies:

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PowerSupply01_s.jpg)

Years ago I bought a computer case with a PS in it, that supplies the 5+VDC and 12+VDC. I mounted a 24V/10A transformer on the floor, that supplies the 24VAC going to the ZIMO MX1.

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PowerSupply02_s.jpg)

ZIMO MX1 Command Station and MX21 tethered handheld

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PowerSupply03_s.jpg)

12AWG going to the MX1 Lots of room for expansion and enough free air, too.

You familiar with what a pack of Camels or Lucky Strikes looks like?

That’s my control station.
And no 24, 12 and 5V power supplies in and about a metal box that looks like it came off a Russian Foxtrot.

Good Night.

One of the items I’ll have to wire is the control panel for Staging.

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PanelStaging01_s.jpg)

Pine, plexiglass, graphic tape, spray paint and components. I paint the back of the plexi, attach the graphic tape to the front, install the components … well you know the routine. The Staging turnouts are powered with the EPL machines, the ZIMO MX82V power two each, the manual triggering - as opposed to calling it up on the handheld - happens with DPDT spring-to-center-off toggle switches, still mulling if I should rig up a latching circuit to power LEDs that show direction thrown. In the meantime I keep wiring, I can think while I solder. :wink: :slight_smile:

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PanelStaging02_s.jpg)

Curmudgeon said:
You familiar with what a pack of Camels or Lucky Strikes looks like?

That’s my control station.


Mine is even smaller … tip of my index finger. :slight_smile:

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

(http://www.rhb-grischun.ca/F-PIX/PowerSupply03_s.jpg)

12AWG going to the MX1 Lots of room for expansion and enough free air, too.

So you’re happy with a switching power supply? Gotta say, I’ve never seen a powered PC case used this way before! One thing’s for sure - cooling is not a worry!

Curmudgeon said:
You familiar with what a pack of Camels or Lucky Strikes looks like?

That’s my control station.
And no 24, 12 and 5V power supplies in and about a metal box that looks like it came off a Russian Foxtrot.

Good Night.


You recall a few years back I was wandering down the dark path toward DCC. I had been reading Digitrak’s book and had convinced myself that DCC would be da bomb. It took several years of saving before I was able to afford the system that I wanted, and even then I could only equip 3 or 4 locos with decoders right out of the gate. Just before I placed the order I posted a ‘speak now or forever hold your peace’ on my intentions.

Dave, you immediately came forward to help me on to the path of salvation (or was that salivation?) I decided not to buy the DCC set up. I still haven’t converted and locos to stand alone Battery-R/C, but I have successfully used a quick and dirty trail car system with my Aristo locos. I even converted my sound car to pass the battery power and be switchable from track to battery power.

It’s now 2 years later, and for the life of me I can’t remember what I thought was so cool about DCC outdoors. I don’t plan on any automated operations, seldom double head, and the myth that it would eliminate wiring issues when doing wyes and reverse loops was exposed as soon as I dug into it. Automate yes, simplify no.

So HJ, I wish you good luck. I hope it works out for you. For me, it just didn’t seem worth the investment and trouble.

I still run full track power with manual block control for most of my loco fleet. Reversing on the wye and loop was handled with a simple DPDT that takes power from the feed track. My RR is still small and only requires a few feed points, which is where I place my block control swithces in outdoor boxes.

Full battery R/C is in my future.

Jon,

I hear you. :wink:

Important deciding factors for me:

One control system fits any of the scales I run (N, HO(m), IIm (1:22.5) and LS (as in “G”)

Control system can cope with any of the modes i.e. fully automatic display layout (HOm) with scheduled running, down to running manual with a simple auto block (in the garden) or running manual (soon, soon) on the LS switching modules. Mix of different types of railways to boot.

Sound decoders that allow me to roll-my-own from very basic to as complicated as I manage.

All components can be updated with firmware/software being downloaded from the mfgs website i.e. always the latest and the greatest and any glitches can be corrected as soon as the mfg posts the glitch fix.

How did I decide and then keep going: Read a lot of fora on both sides of the pond to find out what problems were encountered, what remedies were applied and who got rid of which crappy equipment and replaced it with “better stuff”. In addition I considered our climate - semi arid - which lends itself much more gently to outside DCC since the oxidation factor is quite different.
I also talked to friends who run DCC in the garden in climates that I consider less than conducive … yet they aren’t cleaning track like demons and even the entry level stuff works amazingly well.

And if everything else fails: I’ll blame it on the rail I bought from Dave. :lol: :wink: :lol: