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El Paso & South Western Railroad Depot

Modeling
#1

In the very early 1900s the EP&SW ran through our part of the country, and the history is pretty well documented, but the depots, not so much. A fellow G Scaler conversed with me about a model of the depot at Hereford AZ. These are the only pics I have found to date. In the second picture here, note the walk out on the second floor on the right side of the picture. This does not look as if it is present in the first picture. Also, it seems there was a bay window trackside.

This appears to be an SP ‘Type 22’ Depot. It is 20 scale feet high, 25 scale feet wide, passenger section is 32 scale feet long, and overall it is 72 scale feet, which was typical for the Type 22 depots, since the freight portion would change based on the needs of the community. I got a pretty good start on it the weekend. LOTS of windows and doors in these old buildings! I need to procure 4 walk-through doors still, as the ones I have are not correct for the times, and will cut openings when they are in hand. The stairs wil be quite a challenge as well. Election time needs to get here quick, I am almost out of political signs!!!

#2

Great start Don. I really like that sloped side building on the left of the first picture too!

I hope your politicians aren’t as cheap as the ones here - They have gone to plastic bag signs that stretch over a simple U wire frame. Not many coroplast signs to be found at election time here. If you lived closer I could hook you up though; I work in a sign ship and we put lots of it in the dumpster every day. I had to stop bringing it home as my garage is full :smiley:

#3
Jon Radder said:
I work in a sign ship and we put lots of it in the dumpster every day. I had to stop bringing it home as my garage is full :D
And it's much appreciated, too.

What kind of siding does that building have? Can’t really tell from the pictures. Pretty impressive structure. I like it…:wink:

#4

Looks like a fun project. Please keep the pics coming. FWIW, the fire hall in Georgetown, CO has a similar “slope-sided” tower:

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/dawgnabbit/misc/geofire.jpeg)

Steve (Edit: forgot to mention I cribbed that picture off the web; t’ain’t mine.)

#5

Who says politico’s don’t have some use. :wink:

It looks like it has the makings of a great model Don.

#6

The slope sided building is a pump house,a dn the water tower/spigot comes up between the tracks. Of course the black tank has the old El Paso SouthWestern logho on it. The concrete under the tank is pretty much all that is left there now.

#7

It is difficult to telll from these pictures, but based on many other SP Buildings of this era I assumed (hopefully correctly) that it is lap board siding.
Lots of photos available on the Type 22 stations in California.

#8

Here is a picture of one of the early Type 22 depots. I am not sure of the date of this photo, but it is obvious from all of the buckboards to the right that it is close to 1900. It also does not have the hip roof, like the Hereford Depot, and has a steeper roof pitch as well.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/firstdepot.jpg)

#9

I don’t know how much wind you get where you are, but make sure the roof is removable as that stuff is pretty light and you may have to place a rock inside the station to keep it stationary on a windy day…:wink: My Delores station is made from the same stuff and it was blown over twice. I now has a good sized rock inside it…:wink: For that corbelled chimney on the roof, you may want to check out these:

(http://scaleartmodels.com/photos/FA2.jpg)

They may also have the doors your looking for: http://www.scaleartmodels.com/page11.html http://www.scaleartmodels.com/page7a.html Nice detail parts: http://www.scaleartmodels.com/

#10

Ken, Thanks for the tip on both of those items. The nearest hobby shop of any sort is 90 miles away, and then spotty on supplies.

#11
Quote:
... Who says politico's don't have some use.
Yeah, but you gotta be careful. After a while, the buildings start leaning; some to the right, others to the left... ;)

I’ve never had any luck with the corrugated signboard out here. Every time I try to use it, it ends up warping. I’m torn now between going back to 1/2" blue foam for the cores of my buildings or going with Gatorplast. I’ve got one barn built from the Gatorplast, and its holding up beautifully. And the stuff’s dirt simple to work with. The only problem is that convenience comes at a cost–c. $70 for a 4 x 8 sheet last time I priced it. Granted one can get quite a few buildings out of one sheet, so I shouldn’t complain too loudly. Certainly considering the price of the siding that would be laminated to it, window castings, etc., the core will end up being by far the least expensive part of the building. I’ve got a fair amount of building renovation/replacement to do this winter, (Two depots, and some other buidings) so I’ll probably just break down and buy a sheet. Still cheaper than a hopper car…

Later,

K

#12

Kevin, I was concerned about the warping too, so I reinforced the walls on the inside a bit with strips cut from some Trimplank scraps I had.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/rgseng/delores/delores001.jpg)

It’s been outside now about a year and still looks good.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/rgseng/delores/deloresyard05.jpg)

Even the roof has held up well.

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/rgseng/delores/delores018.jpg)

#13

Living on a headland which is situate on the English Channel this area is prone to frequent winds: often gale force* and above. I have never had trains blow over but know that any lightweight buildings would be subject to these winds if not in a sheltered zone. They could well end up in someone elses backyard!

Consequently, as many readers here will have seen, I have chosen lumber decking for most of my structures. Hopefully their weight will defy the strongest three figure gusts and they will remain as heirlooms after I am gone - if, of course, anyone wants them.

  • I see from the hotel webcam at Roanoke that that has been a very windy place these last few days. :wink:
#14

Here are updated pics with the bracing. The first pics were simply a mock up

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/secondfloorbrace.JPG)

Even thought the windows will be blacked out, I still put a second floor in to add stability and basically control warpage due to temp changes. Some may say it is overkill, but it will definitely not move.Everywhere there is a joint of any kind, there is 1/2X1/2 inch glued in.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/firstfloorbrace.JPG)

Updated pics I didn’t like my first shot at the bay window, so have not yet attached the rebuilt version. I also need to build the freight door for this side. Note the protrusion for the bay window area. I put a solid floor in, and notched the wall so this would stick out and make the bottom of the bay window as solid as the rest of the structure.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/tracksideminusbay.JPG)

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/tracksideminusbay2.JPG)

This side is pretty much ready to go, minus the doors and stairs.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/streetsidedone.JPG)

#15

Don:

Great looking depot!

What adhesive do you use to join the Coroplast? I haven’t found anything that will stick to it.

Thanks & Happy RRing,

Jerry

#16

I’ve been using Goop, seems to hold up pretty well.

#17

Goop makes an adhesive that sticks to just about anything. I have had some sheets that seemed to have an oil film on them, so had to wash and in some instances lightly sand them so there was a rough surface to bond with. T6000 and gorilla glue both work well too.

#18

I finally gave up on finding a door that would work for me, so decided to make my own. My first shot at building doors, and a balcony for that matter. I now need to finish the roof and chimney, then its time to paint, if only I could get a break from work…

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/balcony.JPG)

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/balconydoor.JPG)

#19

Hey Don the doors look great!!

#20

Thanks Guys. It took some time but I think I have the SP Yellow correct. It is a mixture of Dove Grey and Ocre Yellow. I have nothing but respect for guys like Ray D. and David R., to name only two of many, who have the patience and skilll to paint those pesky small details. I have way too much blood in my coffee system to commit much time to such tasks.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/DSCF3315.JPG)

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/don_pearson/_forumfiles/DSCF3305.JPG)