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EBay changes

I know for some, eBay topics are actively discouraged, but certain changes in the wind downunder and no doubt headed north, eventually, have been released.

Our equivalent of your IRS has informed eBay that all members who exceed $20k in sales per year, are required to have their personal information submitted to the tax office. While this may seem an extravagant amount per year, it only takes a few sales for me of personal hobby items to get close to this figure. Everything sold is sold at a loss in respect to the amount paid years ago for the same items. The tax office would treat me as a ‘professional’ and tax me accordingly. Other than powersellers, very few actually make a profit on eBay once insertion, final value and PayPal fees are taken into account.

Now for something positive. As of September 22nd this year, up to thirty items per month may be singly listed without fees being incurred. If the item does not sell then no fees are charged. If item sells, then final value fee is raised from the normal 5.29% to around 7.5%. Only single items may be listed per auction listing. Multiple items per listing require a seller to open an eBay store. This is not applicable to a power seller. Greater than 31 items per month incur normal eBay fees.

The maximum final value fee payable per month on less than thirty items is $49.95 total. Thus one may list thirty items and sell them and still only pay under $50 total per month. This is not applicable to high ticket items like jewellery, property and motor vehicles. Something positive for a change.

If not applicable as yet, in the States then watch this space as eBay ‘trials’ new changes downunder then implements them in the northern hemisphere.

It is indeed the same in the US…With one very important exception that may be the same “down under”. ebay/Paypal will issue a 1099-K if you reach $20,000 in sales AND 200 individual transactions. That’s key. It does not mean you will pay taxes, just that likely with that many transactions with those kind of dollars you are “likely” doing this as a “business”. It bears repeating, $20,000 AND 200 transactions in one year.

No flames, just the “facts”. Thanks Tim.

For those of us in the US, and buy/sell more than just “a few things” online, 1099K form changes that affect us went into effect earlier this year. If you have more than 200 transactions a year, totaling over $20,000, the government wants their cut. Do I like it? No, I don’t, but we (the general public) have been getting a free tax ride on out-of-state sales for YEARS, even before the internet. This is the IRS trying to get their slice. The easiest way around it is to stay below those numbers, using ‘creative’ methods best left for the viewer to decide.

Do we get to creatively deduct all the eBay/PayPal fees as a cost of doing business??? Probably not.

Bob C.

Throw them in under advertising costs Bob…
:wink:

Bob McCown said:
The easiest way around it is to stay below those numbers, using 'creative' methods best left for the viewer to decide.
Unfortunately, "creative methods" might include hacking into someone elses account. Casual users of eBay need to be even more diligent about checking their accounts on a regular basis. Ralph
Ralph Berg said:
Bob McCown said:
The easiest way around it is to stay below those numbers, using 'creative' methods best left for the viewer to decide.
Unfortunately, "creative methods" might include hacking into someone elses account. Casual users of eBay need to be even more diligent about checking their accounts on a regular basis. Ralph
I think you misunderstand me, Ralph. You (as in I) can keep the 'numbers' below what triggers reporting by doing various things. No 'hacking' of any account.

Targeted to no one in particular…If you are selling $20k+ and 200+ transactions every year it is likely a good idea to go “legit” anyway. You can then write off all your purchases meant for resale, shipping, storage, packing supplies, and yes…even those ebay/paypal fees. Of course the downside is you then have the joy of paying taxes on the “profits” but if there are no profits, there are no taxes.

And sometimes you get a loss for the year when all expenses are tabulated…

Bob McCown said:
Ralph Berg said:
Bob McCown said:
The easiest way around it is to stay below those numbers, using 'creative' methods best left for the viewer to decide.
Unfortunately, "creative methods" might include hacking into someone elses account. Casual users of eBay need to be even more diligent about checking their accounts on a regular basis. Ralph
I think you misunderstand me, Ralph. You (as in I) can keep the 'numbers' below what triggers reporting by doing various things. No 'hacking' of any account.
Bob, I certainly didn't mean to imply you or I would hack an account.

Hacking into accounts has been a problem at eBay for quite some time.
They look for accounts that have had no recent activity.

But sure, if I was that busy on eBay, it wouldn’t be hard to avoid the “triggers”.

That being said, it sure will make it a PIA if you’re selling an expensive car or other high ticket item.
Ralph