Large Scale Central

East Broad Top #3 "Rockhill"

Modeling
#1

EBT #3, built originally for the Denver & Rio Grande, was refused by them because it would have been too heavy on their rails. The EBT purchased it as their 3rd locomotive in 1873. It proved very successful on the EBT, so they bought two identical locos the next year. “under the paint”

The locomotive is essentially a modified B’mann 2-6-0 boiler placed on top of a Barry’s Big Trains 2-8-0 chassis. I shortened the chassis by cutting off some extra material fore and aft, but the mechanics remained unchanged. I did replace the center two drivers because I didn’t like how the stock blind drivers sat above the rails. Fortunately, I had an ample supply of extra Bachmann drivers, and my lathe took care of turning the flanges off.

Detail of the cylinders (off of a Delton C-16) and crosshead water pump (Trackside Details).

From the rear. The fireman scales to 5’ 10", to give you a handle on how small this locomotive was in full scale. More can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/EBT2803 Later, K

#2

Another great loco, Kevin. Great stuff!

#3

Always interesting to see what holds the paint up.

#4

Great build Kevin. Always a pleasure seeing a masters craft.

#5

It’s really nice to see what you built under that Annie stack cap :smiley: Beautiful loco.

#6

Nicely done.

Now you need a good digital proportional radio control system for it. :wink:

#7

VERY nice Kevin.

Correct me if wrong, but was this the EBT 2-8-0 that later ended up on the OR&W?

EDIT, nevermind!

http://www.narrowtracks.com/minibunch/articles_prototype/2003-02-EBT-Loco-7.htm

#8

Beyond gorgeous.

#9

Thanks, guys! Now if I could just get inspired to finish the passenger cars that are sitting on my shelf…

@Jon - I’m indebted to you for that. Now, can you find one that will fit a 3/4" O.D pipe? I’m going to need one for my “next” project. EBT 2nd #5 had a 15" diameter stack. (Curiously, 2nd #5 took the name “Rockhill” from #3, instead of “Shirley” from 1st #5 which was taken apart so that 2nd #5 could be built)

@Tony - Alas you’re a victim of your own success. Your Elite system convinced both dad and I in the mid 90s that carrying around 2-stick radio controllers was passé. A small, handheld controller definitely has its advantages in terms of portability. Put a proportional slider or thumbwheel on the Elite controller, and we’ll talk. :wink:

@Garrett, or more for the benefit of others, since Garrett found the answer - EBT #7, the C-19 “clone,” went to the OR&W, along with 4-6-0 #10, becoming OR&W nos. 14 and 15 respectively. (Renumbered 9669 and 9670, respectively.) Number 7’s on my list, too, but I’ll do that when I find a live steam Accucraft C-19 in need of some TLC. (i.e., I can’t justify paying full price to toss much of the brasswork–including the entire tender–in the scrap pile. Give me a boiler and chassis, and I’ll be happy!) Incidentally, Garrett, I just compared that saddle tanker you sent me to EBT 3rd #2, and I think it’s going to be something of a cakewalk to convert it. I’m most likely just going to put batteries and a simple on-off switch on that one so to have something that will just run around the garden.

Later,

K

#10

That was my idea for a battery convesion to that loco actually! A slow little industrial loco.

Now, there was another Baldwin catalog narrow gauge loco (2-8-0) that is proving to be a bit of an enigma. The Nashville and Tuscaloosa (later NC&StL centerville branch) was a 3’ gauge line here in TN, and 5 locos were orderd and reportedly were painted in N&C markings…reportedly at the time of construction. Porter also supplied at least one loco (Mogul?) to this line.

The existing photos are the same Baldwins that were converted to standard gauge (H1 class) by the N&C in their shops in Nashville.

Text on page 94, photo on page 97 here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Kmjsw8fByKUC&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=NC%26StL+Centerville+Branch&source=bl&ots=o1nZwou5kg&sig=skP9V2uN_zRxioo0ScO46U4bZ_c&hl=en&ei=ww34S6b_HIO8lQfBtenuCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=NC%26StL%20Centerville%20Branch&f=false

#11

…winking…

#12
Kevin Strong said:
@Tony - Alas you're a victim of your own success. Your Elite system convinced both dad and I in the mid 90s that carrying around 2-stick radio controllers was passé. A small, handheld controller definitely has its advantages in terms of portability. Put a proportional slider or thumbwheel on the Elite controller, and we'll talk. ;)

Later,

K


Ditto the thumb screw… oops, wrong forum… wheel, or slider. I’ve tried carrying around those airplane controllers and they just burn batteries.

#13

What we need is for someone to take the tiny electronics in those big honkin 2-stick 2.4 GHz radios and put it in a small package with a small knob and switches. Shouldn’t be too hard - might be a winter project for next year.

Kevin - Sorry - that was the last of my stock. I want to hear about #2 that you and Garrett are conspiring on.

P.S. What is this new fangled @Jon, @Tony stuff ??? I just started seeing it - thought it was a busted email :smiley:

#14
Jon Radder said:
What we need is for someone to take the tiny electronics in those big honkin 2-stick 2.4 GHz radios and put it in a small package with a small knob and switches.
Those big controllers do seem to be a step backward ;) Ralph
#15

Ralph.

If you consider lower cost, longer range, full digital proportional control plus more features, a step backward, then you need to rejig your thinking. :wink:

Steve, the new 2.4 GHz radios mostly use only 4 x AA cells and are very light on batteries.

#16
TonyWalsham said:
Ralph.

If you consider lower cost, longer range, full digital proportional control plus more features, a step backward, then you need to rejig your thinking. :wink:


Just the size of the controller, Tony.
I very much like your original, smaller than a pack of smokes, controller.
Much better than even the walkie-talkie size units.
I think a small 2.4Ghz controller would really enhance the 2.4Ghz line.
Ralph

#17

Tony, it’s not the function, it’s the form. The technology’s fantastic–I think the best of both worlds. Glitch-free and proportional, a far cry from the systems we used decades ago. The problem is that since then, we’ve been spoiled by the size of the smaller hand-held controllers, so going back to something that takes two hands to control is going to be a hard sell. I like Jon’s idea–take the electronics and repackage them. The transmitter’s controls are nothing but switches and potentiometers, which really can be mounted anyhow you’d need them to be. I know the benefit of the Beltrol system is that it uses the inexpensive radios “off the shelf,” but I’d also be willing to bet that in a hobby where people are spending $200 for an Aristo or NCE controller, you could repackage a 2.4 gHz transmitter into a smaller form that’s more intuitive for the model train hobbyist and sell it for a price comparable to the other systems’ controllers. Jon, the “@Jon” is Facebook shorthand. I’ve gotten used to typing that when responding to specific individual’s comments in that arena. As for #2, it will look something like this:

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/WoodlandRY/WRY2side.jpg)

only in “proper” 1:20.3, which will in all likelihood end up being very similar in size to that particular one done nominally to 1:24. In my case, I’m just going to put a simple potentiometer throttle in it so I can “set it and forget it,” and just have something to trundle around the railroad while I’m busy working. I just finished doing a Bachmann Davenport like that, with a direction switch and pushbutton for the horn so that my daughter can control it. This will be similar, though a proper steam loco. (The davenport gets a “pass” because it has siderods and counterweights.) EBT 3rd #2 had 28" drivers, and the B’mann 0-4-0 drivers scale to 26.5", close enough considering driver diameters can shrink 2" (or more) as wheels are machined through maintenance. Later, K

#18

Ah, Facebook. I still haven’t found the usefulness of that venue. It must be a generational thing :smiley: Dinkey #2 is one of my favorites.

#19
Jon Radder said:
Ah, Facebook. I still haven't found the usefulness of that venue. It must be a generational thing :D
Joined recently. With 3 children out of state (soon a 4th), I now have much more information about what is going on in their lives. The downside...............some things I don't want to know :O Ralph
#20

Jon, if you’re going to be at the FEBT Reunion this fall, I’m probably going to put that particular model of #2 in the auction. Dad’s thinning his collection, and right now, this little guy is on the “surplus” list. I would have just kept it myself, except I just traded Garrett for the updated 1:20 saddle tanker. I’d rather build a new one and use the old to generate funds for the FEBT.

Later,

K