Large Scale Central

Earmarks

mike omalley said:
Dave, so what evidence do you have that this scenario applied? None. It's a fantasy. It might be true, but it runs counter to where the evidence points

Fo example: Palin went out on national TV and announced that she had said “no” to the famous “bridge to nowhere.” She said: “I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress — I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said we’d build it ourselves.”

The crowd cheered–those rugged individualist Alaskans!

But that’s not what happened. See this account from Reuters news service

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3125537020080901

She was for it, and said she was insulted that it was called a “bridge to nowhere.” After a national outcry over the staggerng amount of tax dollars going to fund a largely un-needed bridge, she still reiterated her support and her regret at the project’s demise

"The Anchorage Daily News interviewed Palin during her 2006 campaign for governor. At the time, federal funding for the bridge had been stripped by Congress. They asked if she was in favor of continuing state funding for the project. “Yes,” she responded, noting specifically her desire to renew Congressional support:

[b]Yes. I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now–while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.[/b] 

But Congress did not come up with more money fro the project, so she canceled it, saying:

[b]Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island.[/b]

Palin’s desire to have federal funding directed toward pet projects in Alaska, however, did not diminish. As recently as March 2008 — around the time she first met McCain — her special counsel, John Katz, wrote in the Juneau Empire that despite recognizing increased scrutiny of such spending, Palin was not “not abandoning earmarks altogether.” While McCain expressed high-profile disdain for earmarks, the Palin administration held that:

[b][E]armarks are not bad in themselves. In fact, they represent a legitimate exercise of Congress’ constitutional power to amend the budget proposed by the president.[/b]

Now I actually agree with that last statement about earmarks. In my opinion, the campaign against “earmarks” is mostly political theater. But then I’m not out on the campaign trail talking about myself as an enemy of “earmarks.” And I’m not out lying about the history of my position on the “bridge to nowhere.”

It is possible, of course, that the actual meetings in the governor’s office went as you suggest. Everyone in the room wanted that bridge, and Sarah Palin stood alone against them. It’s possible she burst into song, like Mary Poppins, and a full orchestra supported her as she sang her passionate but happy opposition to this waste of the taxpayers money. Indeed, you could choose to believe that. You can make up any fantasy you want about any candidate. Or you can look at the record.


Again, thanks for the link, Mike. Very interesting, especially the first comment, which rang especially true. Western Australia is bigger than the US east of the Mississippi, and a town like Wasilla, with a population of around nine thousand, would qualify as a major rural centre here. I’ve travelled extensively through our state, and understand well the sense of isolation folks who live in remote areas feel. The comment describes that feeling with reasoned eloquence.

I’m unsure what “scenario” you’re referring to as “fantasy.” If you’re referring to my analysis of Ralph’s abortion example, don’t read more into it than was intended.

Ralph’s example, while amusing, is far-fetched, and I explained why. “Hypocritical” is a word I’m reluctant to attribute to Mrs. Palin, or anyone else, on the basis of such an example. I’m not into name-calling, even if it’s masked in sophisticated language.

On the other hand, if what you’ve said about Mrs. Palin’s form reversal (i.e., “I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress — I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said we’d build it ourselves.”) is true - and I’m not suggesting it isn’t - then I agree the discussion is at the “We have a problem, Houston” stage. The comment is totally at odds with the persona she displayed both as a mayor and as a governor.

“Bridge to nowhere” is a catchy line, and pretty simplistic. I’m surprised Mrs. Palin used it. If you live in Ketchikan, my guess is that “nowhere” is somewhere very important to you. If you’re the governor of Alaska, you use the phrase at your peril.

I don’t know why Mrs. Palin withdrew her support for this bridge. If it was because Congress refused to fund it and the state of Alaska couldn’t afford it, that’s fair enough. Otherwise, Mrs. Palin would have been better off backing her initial instincts.

“Hypocritical” does appear to be an appropriate descriptor for Mrs. Palin’s conduct in the case of the bridge.

Sarah Palin’s actions are hypocritical, just as Al Gore’s actions are.
I don’t turn a blind eye because of one’s party affiliation.

I seriously believe there are Republicans that would vote against Jesus if he was a registered Democrat.
And there are Democrats who would do the same if Jesus was registered as a Republican.
Very sad…but very true.
Ralph

Dave you should read again. Palin favored the project. She objected to congressional critics --McCain included–who called it “the bridge to nowhere.” Then when Congress cut the funding for the project–congress, not Palin–she used the money EARMARKED for the bridge for other projects.

IN her speeches since she got the nod from McCain, she has insisted the she told congress she did not want the bridge.

That’s hypocrisy–claiming you support one set of values while acting differenlty

And it’s lying–claiming you did something you did not do.

mike omalley said:
Dave you should read again. Palin favored the project. She objected to congressional critics --McCain included--who called it "the bridge to nowhere." Then when Congress cut the funding for the project--congress, not Palin--she used the money EARMARKED for the bridge for other projects.

IN her speeches since she got the nod from McCain, she has insisted the she told congress she did not want the bridge.

That’s hypocrisy–claiming you support one set of values while acting differenlty

And it’s lying–claiming you did something you did not do.


Mmmm - those painkillers must be the blue ones. Here’s what I said:

“Hypocritical” does appear to be an appropriate descriptor for Mrs. Palin’s conduct in the case of the bridge.

I know Mrs. Palin favoured the bridge project. I’m surprised, and sorry, that she now chooses to deny it. That is both hypocritical and untruthful.

Get well soon.

Ralph Berg said:
Steve Featherkile said:
Don't avoid the question.
You been following me around Steve? I did answer the question......very plainly.....I thought.

I’m not on a crusade to support stop signs.
She is the Queen of Earmarks while at the same time calling for an end to Earmarks.
I really don’t see how anybody can be objective and say this isn’t hypocritical. It is an obvious case of hypocrisy.
We are all guilty of it at one time or another. But most of us are not doing it on such a large scale.

The last line says it all.
Ralph


Ah, so then you are a hypocrite… :smiley:

Ralph Berg said:
I don't need rules and laws to tell me something is not right. And if I take advantage of something I don't think is right, because I can, that would make me a hypocrite also.

Dave I’m sorry I misread your post! My mistake!

Steve Featherkile said:
Ralph Berg said:
Steve Featherkile said:
Don't avoid the question.
You been following me around Steve? I did answer the question......very plainly.....I thought.

I’m not on a crusade to support stop signs.
She is the Queen of Earmarks while at the same time calling for an end to Earmarks.
I really don’t see how anybody can be objective and say this isn’t hypocritical. It is an obvious case of hypocrisy.
We are all guilty of it at one time or another. But most of us are not doing it on such a large scale.

The last line says it all.
Ralph


Ah, so then you are a hypocrite… :smiley:

Ralph Berg said:
I don't need rules and laws to tell me something is not right. And if I take advantage of something I don't think is right, because I can, that would make me a hypocrite also.
Sure......we all are at some level. But not on such a large scale that affected "millions" of people. Thousands in Alaska where the money went and possibly millions of people elsewhere who didn't get the money. If you crusade against something you partake in(in a grand scale), this is the ultimate form of hypocrisy.

I can appreciate “large scale” :lol:…just not in this case.
And the “bridge”, she flat out lied. We crucify Edwards and Clinton for doing the same about something very “personal”. But you turn the other cheek when a Republican “lies” about a very public matter related to government.
I admit I can be a hypocrite.
Sadly, it seems to me, you can’t admit that any Republican could possibly be a hypocrite.
I guess I’m not one of the party faithful, either party. You may see that as a bad thing. I don’t. My loyalty is to my family and my Country. I don’t think either party works in the best interest of the average American.

Republicans hated Bill Clinton. I still don’t understand why. He talked gay rights, national health care and helping the poor. What did he accomplish for any of these?
Absolutely nothing.
What did Clinton do? He signed and championed NAFTA…Great for big business, BAD for the average worker.
He signed the Phil Gramm bill that allowed banks to get back into speculative investments. A big part of why banks and the economy are in bad shape now. Who was on John McCain"s team until suffering from foot in mouth disease? Phil Gram.
Ralph