From a movie called Trains on the youtube:
Thanks, it looks really interesting.
p.s…and I’m NOT talking about the COWS you guys!
Isn’t that a garret or something of the sort?
Thanks! A Garratt Locomotive. BINGO!
Google corrected our spelling and the youtube provides this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lglIMCqb9TY
And here’s a place that explains it all and adds more movies:
http://illianaroad.com/railroading/giants-of-south-africa-the-powerful-garrett-locomotives/
From "Giants of South Africa - The Powerful Garratt Locomotive:
The principal benefit of the Garratt design is that the boiler and firebox unit are slung between the other two engine units. This frees the boiler and firebox from the size constraints imposed where they are placed over the frames and running gear, as in conventional designs and other **articulated **locomotive designs such as the Mallet locomotive. This means that Garratts can have a boiler with a greater diameter, which increases heating area for the production of steam. The boiler can also be shorter than other designs with the same heating area. In some loco designs, the boiler is so long almost no heating of the water occurs at the smokebox end of the boiler. In the Garrats a larger firebox promotes more efficient combustion of fuel and also increases the heat available to the boiler.
If this is so, and it seems to make sense, I wonder why the design never took hold here in North America?
the very expensive lgb version -
(http://wvmgrs.org/Images/2011/Meeting05/image4_small.jpg)
(http://wvmgrs.org/Images/2011/Meeting05/image6.jpg)
-Brian
Another advantage of the design was the large water capacity of the two “tenders” at each end for rail travel in arid areas of S. Africa.
Yet another advantage was the weight of the loco was spread out which meant it could be used on RR’s that had less than perfect track with lighter rail but the loco still maintained terrific pulling power.
They also used less fuel than a similar sized engine did when pulling the same weight.
The Beyer Garrett design was used extensively in Africa and Australia. I don’t know why thye never cuaght on here in the US, maybe they were just too funky looking?
There is a guy here on the forum who is building one.
Brian is right they are a very expensive model to acquire.
They are neat.
It would be an interesting challenge to try designing an American-looking Garrett-type loco, one that would “look at home” on a US/Canadian/Mexican style pike…
There were some little beauties in South America, all very British looking though.
John Le Forestier said:
It would be an interesting challenge to try designing an American-looking Garrett-type loco, one that would “look at home” on a US/Canadian/Mexican style pike…
There were some little beauties in South America, all very British looking though.
Not a bad idea…
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZLZFOTo2o[/youtube]
I wonder if those trucks that Bachmann is selling for $50 would be a good start to a build project like this?
Way beyond my own skill level probably though.
J D Galloway is doing one with two B’mann 2-8-0s.
http://www.largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/18379/freedom-central-purchases-new-po
Should be interesting to see the progress…
Later,
K
Steve Featherkile said:
BIG SNIP
I wonder why the design never took hold here in North America?
There actually was supposed to be a Garratt Proposed by Baldwin for the D&RGW. At least Westside Brass made an H0n3 model based on two K-27 Mechs that was supposed to be so.
(http://www.rcs-rc.com/pics/Models-OZ/Westside_American_Garratt.jpg)
I saw one once in a Hobby Shop in Tokyo.
An Fn3 Scale (1:20.3) model would be something else!!
Maybe it could be something based on the 4-6-0 with an extra set of dummy pilot-sized wheels making it a 4-6-2 / 2-6-4??
(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/stfrancisconsolidatedrr/Gov03_10Rail055a.jpg)
and make the tenders look more like the bigger one:
(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/stfrancisconsolidatedrr/garratt_diagram.gif)
Kevin, you still want that rail truck? Ha!
Let me try that again:
(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/stfrancisconsolidatedrr/26.jpg)
(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/stfrancisconsolidatedrr/28.jpg)
Does anybody know why sometimes the images show up in freight shed right away and sometimes not for an unknown period of time?
Brian Donovan said:
the very expensive lgb version -
(http://wvmgrs.org/Images/2011/Meeting05/image4_small.jpg)
(http://wvmgrs.org/Images/2011/Meeting05/image6.jpg)
-Brian
I’ve got the even-more very expensive AccuCraft version of a slightly larger loco - the NG/G16 - see tac’s trains Garratt. Gas-fired and radio-controlled.
tac
Here in yUK my fellow railroader, David Buckingham, made one using a pair of Bachmann Annies and two Phoenix sound systems. If he is at the big show this weekend with it I’ll take some movie and post it on YT.
tac
BTW, the MAIN reason that the Garratt design foundered in the USA was the coincidental development of the Mallet design. Railroad companies took one look at the teeny K-1 Garratts running in Tasmania and thought that the whole idea was a waste of time- they would obviously NEVER built anything bigger that would provide power for the American railroads of the time - railroads that were getting even bigger as you watched…
As Tony and others have since pointed out, the deveolpment of the Garrat on the African continent - north and south - and in the vast open lines of Australia pretty soon resulted in the some very large locos indeed.
The largest still running in preservation in Australia is the AD60, also modelled by Aster in live-steam, and the subject of a good few of my videos on tac’s trains.
$15,000 will get you one.
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS
Travis Dague said:
Isn’t that a garret or something of the sort?
That is one of four, soon to be five ex-SAR/Alfred County RWy Beyer-Garratt locomotives running on the Welsh Highland Line between Caernarvon and Porthmadoc in North Wales.
If you want to be really impressed, as far as it is possible to impress folks who live in the same country as a Challenger, have a look on Youtube at the Garratt superpower weekends that have been running there in Gogledd Cymru for the last few years - WHR - Welsh highland Railway - Garratt superpower are the tags.
tac, ig, ken the GFT and the Rheilfordd Eryri Boys
Tony Walsham said:
Steve Featherkile said:
BIG SNIP
I wonder why the design never took hold here in North America?
There actually was supposed to be a Garratt Proposed by Baldwin for the D&RGW. At least Westside Brass made an H0n3 model based on two K-27 Mechs that was supposed to be so.
(http://www.rcs-rc.com/pics/Models-OZ/Westside_American_Garratt.jpg)
I saw one once in a Hobby Shop in Tokyo.
An Fn3 Scale (1:20.3) model would be something else!!
Here’s one selling on ebay right now, LGB, but I think the HOn3 model you show is ten times nicer looking. You’re right, the one you pictured in 1:20 or how about 1:24 would be something.