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Disgusting Behavior

One Sunday morning some of my volunteer colleagues arrived at out Heritage station to see two people carting away cables from the trackside into a van. One had the presence of mind to note the registration/license plate of the van and between them noted the clothing the thieves were wearing.

The crooks were apprehended by the police some four miles away but despite the high value of the theft the courts gave a very lenient sentence and fine.

Thefts of cabling from our mail line railways have, in recent times brought the some lines to a standstill.

Other atrocities have been bronze name plaques from war memorials. Luckily the ones from Plymouth Hoe were recovered, but slightly damaged.

catherine yronwode said:

I’m with Craig – it’s copper theft, not vandalism. Surprising that the reporter / law enforcement sources did not bring that forward.

Nope Vic got it right, was sabatoge, they cut the wires and carefully placed them back into place to hide what they did, nothing was reported stolen on the loco

The hysterical marker down the road vanished. I was afraid somebody had stolen it. Nope. The post rusted through and it fell down, so the guys at the scrap yard where it was took it inside so nobody would steal it. It just took a long time to find who to call. “I offered once to drive in a new post and put it back up, but the guy on the phone said that would be a federal offense.”

Bart Salmons said:

Phone cables…pshaw…We’ve had them steal the POWER LINES down here…and yes some of them won a Darwin Award for their troubles…

One night I was witness to a Darwin award winner at a steel mill. Watching a 12kv power line, ground through a saw blade mounted on a metal pole, held by a person hanging on a tower, is an amazing sight.

Dan, I know I am new here, but I also applaud your efforts to keep this site civil.

Mark Dash said:

catherine yronwode said:

I’m with Craig – it’s copper theft, not vandalism. Surprising that the reporter / law enforcement sources did not bring that forward.

Nope Vic got it right, was sabatoge, they cut the wires and carefully placed them back into place to hide what they did, nothing was reported stolen on the loco

The way the article was written said to me this was eco-terrorist vandalism. They need to invest in some good surveillance security cameras to catch the next act on tape, and their WILL be a next attack unless they catch them. Its astonishing what some people can rationalize as a just cause.

Either the copper value or threaten the use of the rail line – or both – is the reason for the vandalism and theft.

I thought of questions that may or may not have been answered in consideration of the rail giving way to walking/hiking/horse trails. In particular, what interests me is the article’s final comment “a multi use trail to attract more tourists.”

Questions:
More than what number of tourists is the goal once the rails are gone? What kind and how much tourist promotion is currently involved with the current rail use? If the purpose is to “run excursion trains” what has defined that activity? Is the status quo just a special event train – birthdays and kid parties?
So how does any current definition of use maximize the use of the rail line to attract tourists? In short, how much PR has gone into attracting tourists?

Where we live, a non-used UP rail line runs some eight miles through the city of Fullerton – a line that is shrouded by trees and runs using underpasses of neighborhood streets. Chamber/railroad negotiations are considered thinking of residents and tourists taking a weekend rail “tour” of Fullerton. Fullerton’s Railroad Days – on a weekend – drew nearly 30,000 to see RR displays, a “live” BSNF locomotive, cabooses, and an Amtrak traveling museum of RR history. Restaurants were full. One estimate is an up-'n-back ride would draw over a 1000 open gondola riders in a day.

Rails-to-Trails is an easy way for a city and railroad to satisfy pressure from those who have yet to consider the magnetic attraction of a moving railroad.
Wendell

Now days folks will try anything. To many ideas from movies and TV. Folks even steal wire on an active RR and almost shut them down. Later RJD

For those of you that don’t know this location, this is in the heart of the Adirondack Park, there are plenty of trails for people to use. The eco terrorists insist on dictating their liberal agenda unlawlaffully. Again I agree with Vic, This won’t be the last time this happens.

This battle is to get the rails ripped up and destroying a vital history of this area, these small towns only existed because of the railroads. Their definition of “Multi use trail” doesn’t include the trains that created this trail.

Wendell believe it or not there are folks in Colorado who want to see the Durango & Silverton torn up for “ecological” and “global warming” issues despite the fact that the cars and buses driving on the nearby highways are far greater producers of CO2 and those cars are running there 24/7 not a steam train running twice a day.

Mark, be careful labeling this a ‘liberal’ agenda, its NOT, these types are extremists, plain and simple. I consider myself a ‘liberal’ and I would wholeheartedly condone Caning these perps Singapore style if they are caught. Lets be clear about one thing, this type of extremists DO NOT want more ‘tourists’ they want more "hikers’ thats their ultimate goal. Namely this to me is a very small group of individuals and what they want is to have no one but people with the mindset they have to be allowed into the forests, everyone else, all the ‘muggles’ so to speak, would ultimately be banned from any wilderness areas.

This mindset goes back to the late 70’s and early 80’s with the Sierra Club battles with logging companies and ramped up during the late '80’s and early 90’s when mountain bikes began exploring the back country trails previously only used by hikers, while most were cool with it a small percentage of hikers were “furious” their “private domain” was being “invaded” despite most of the riders were in fact the same folks who used to hike those same trails. They decried trail were being “destroyed” by bikes, despite that a Sierra Club friendly horse and rider could do 100X the damage of any bike tires. This lead to many confrontations between angry Patagonia clad hikers and Lycra clad riders, this is also where the first vandalisation of trails began, including boobytraps aimed to maim and injure riders (one of these 1st boobytraps actually injured a hiker, wheres the irony!). All because a few angry types couldn’t wrap their tiny heads around the idea that “public access” meant everyone, not a just a small cadre of Sierra Club members who deemed themselves “worthy” of access to the trails. There was even a movement here to gather signatures for a proposition for a law quite literally banning anyone NOT a member of the Sierra Club or deemed worthy by the Sierra Club from any access to backwoods wilderness trails. That went about as far as a concrete balloon, but what they did manage to get by their constant whining and lobbying was a bike ban on almost 75% of the trails here in California. Eventually some folks went further attacking logging sites and housing developments using even more violent tactics, they got so bad even the Sierra Club had to publicly denounce the tactics.

This is similar to what I see happening here, the goal is to get ride of the railroad, even if that means losing 1000 tourists for the gain of 100 hikers, that’s an acceptable ratio to this mindset, the loss of dollars or tourism is a net gain for the environment if only walkers and hikers show up, BTW Hikers who stay longer than one day camp, so they usually do not stay in motels, eat in local restaurants or patronize local businesses unless they sell dry freezed bean casserole packets and sterno cans. So all that tourist money that would have gone to those local businesses you can kiss goodbye!

So thats why I think its very important to 1, get these jerks, and 2, get the word out and get public condemnation and public support for the RR. People need to know whats at stake here, its more than just the RR, its potentially a hit to the other parts of the local economy.

I’m not condeming all hikers, most all I have met or known are really cool, I’m condeming the mindset of this small cadre of eco-terrorists who think this way and find ways to justify their own ends, and Yes, I was on the pro-rider side of the California trail access debate.