Large Scale Central

Diesel Loco lights?

Hi Guys.

I am modelling the SP ML4000 from Krauss Maffei, but I need to know what lights do what on them.
They have two sets of double spot lamps one above the other, a central red lamp above them, a small lamp either side on the nose and two large number boards, aswell as a large single spot lamp on the rear.
I know that there are rules regarding lights at crossings ect and I’ve heard of “classification lights” too, but I’m from the United Kingdom and don’t have easy access to this information. So if you guys could help me out buy sharing a bit of your knowledge, I would be most gratefull.

Thanks
Rob

The upper double spots would have been either a MARS light or Gyrolight. The lower pair of lights would be the headlights.

The central red lamp in some cases was used as a rear end marker when the engine was on the rear of the train. In other cases, the red light came on when the pneumatic control switch opened after the air brakes went into emergency.

The small lamps on either side of the nose were the class lights. They signified if the train was running as an extra or part of a multi section scheduled train.

The spot on the rear is the backup light.

Thanks Bill.
So would both the lamps in the top pair be MARS lights? I take it that they just apear to flash through the gyrating?
What colors are the two small lamps either side of the nose and how would they change to signify the different train types?

What about “headlamp dimming” when the train is near stations, yards or crossings ect?

Thanks again
Rob

Rob;

Yes they usually dim the headlights when approaching a station or another train on parallel track.

The Classification lights normally are not on during the day. Flags would be showing by day, lights only at night.

If classification lights are showing or flags by day; green would indicate that there is a second section of the train following. White would indicate that the train was an extra train, not on the timetable.

Red would only be used if the loco was running backwards on the tail end of the train.

What we really need in large scale railroading, is a supplier to develop a scale set of flags for locomotives, as most of our running is done during daylight hours. It would help if the same supplier could supply a good pair of flagholder castings that we could apply to our locomotives, as few if any, come equipped with them.

There is another “Lighting problem” on most model locomotives produced today.
At night, cab lights are seldom seen from outside the cab, as the light would ruin the engineer’s night vision.
Flickering firebox lighting is seldom if ever visable from trackside, but the “Lionel Types” all seem to be overjoyed with these lighting effects; even to having all the three colours of class lights shining all the time. Seems that manufacturers even call these class lights “Markers” even though marker lights are on the rear of a train.
Modern days see very little if any use of class/classification lights/flags as dispatching and train ordering is very different today. Even the marker lights are almost never seen, as cabbooses, have been replaced by “Flashing Rear End Detectors” (Fred’s), or in some instances just a red flad hanging on the coupler of the last car in a train.
New locos being built today sometimes (Almost all) don’t even come with class lights, except on special order.

The particular Diesel Hydraulic units you are looking at, would have the class lights, and any other lights that the particular roads that bought them wanted, or considered standard.

Flags are a doddle, these are paper painted with PVA and then some gribby white paint. stuck to a bit of brass stock wire, which in turn is poked in to the brackets (made of small tube). The lamps are nt lit btw cos its daylight, thats just refelctions.

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