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D&RGW 'fishbelly' flatcar

Latest project is a version of the D&RGW 6500 series ‘fishbelly’ flatcar. These were a standard gauge car around 42 ft. in length, that were fitted with higher load capacity, narrow-gauge trucks. This project started life as a simple bit of doodling, by rearranging some leftover underframes pieces from the Bachmann centre cuploa kit. The underframe scales out around 36 ft., so is a little shorter than the prototype car. I have fitted only nine stake pockets each side, as distinct from the ten pockets on the longer car. Normally, these cars would have been rivetted construction, however, I adopted the easier path of a welded car.

Basically, the underframe was built up with sides laminated from 0.030" styrene. The deck was then sheathed with a sheet of 0.030" styrene, then overlaid with 0.080" strip timber (around 80 pieces in total). This was then sanded smooth and the edges trimmed. The car was then undercoated and sprayed in grey to complement my D&RGW MOW 25 ton crane and tool car. Decals available to use are not correct for the car, but will be used to attain the required effect.

When the paint has dried, I will decal and clear coat. I will need to research weathering techniques for the timber deck, as, at present, it is in pristine condition as if just outshopped. Overall, an easy build that does have a similarity to the prototype.

Our local railways used a shorter rivetted version that was used as a tank transporter during the war and post-war years. It was also contracted out to carry heavy loads for private companies.

This is a photo of the paint drying on the underside. Decals are totally incorrect as the ‘D&RGW’ insignia is far too large and there is no flying herald. The number is reasonably close as models on a On3 Rio Grande manufacturer website have the cars in the ‘68XX’ range. Underframe is composed of six pieces from two B’mann centre cupola underframes that I cut up to retrieve the end platforms from. Note that the braking system is duplicated, but looks effective. Not many will see the underside of the car when in use (hopefully!)

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Note: the background is my temporary spray booth as I set up my all-purpose spray area (still outdoors - windy but plenty of ventilation!).

Finished. It is a few feet shorter than the original (36 feet versus around 42 feet), but still looks the part. Only part not in the spares box was the clear topcoat finish. If I had of intended to build the fishbelly flatcar when I glued the chassis together, then I would have gone for the longer car.

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That looks great Tim. Nice use of recycled parts.

Very nice job. Interesting paint choice, I like it. Any photos of it with your crane? I too wanted some 6500 flats as they were used a lot in the era we model (late 1940s to early 1950s). Originally I thought of using the Aristo flat since it already has a fishbelly. But I had trouble finding cheap ones, and they still would need a lot of work. Then I realized I had two USA flats sitting around in the boxes. Surprisingly they are not too far off from the real 6500s in 1:22.5 scale, and they have 10 stake pockets. So I added some styrene here and there, some rivets, an Ozark brakewheel, and decals by Stan Cedarleaf. Now we have two 6500 series flats ready for multiple jobs, and I didn’t have to buy any new rolling stock for this job:

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Matt,
I chose the grey to match the car with other D&RGW MOW cars (post 1941 colour scheme, from memory) and more importantly, as I had a can of grey spray paint on hand.

   I am tempted to do another in the correct paint and decals and the correct length,  only this time I will get the correct decals made.  I was lucky in having just enough strip timber leftover from my model boat building days to complete this project.  The price of the timber strip may be the killer to starting another flatcar.

Tim you say you had a spray can of Grey on hand. What brand? Am I right in presuming it is from Bunnings.

Bob,
I only use two brands of spray paint. Undercoat (Holts Duplicolor from Repco) and finishing coats are always White Knight. A friend, Danny Sheehan in Brisbane, has advised that White Knight is now owned by Taubmans Paints. Hopefully, the quality will not change. The colour is Dusk Grey. Bunnings is about the only reliable supplier of White Knight brand in Sydney.

Tim

Thank you. It’s getting that way now where Bunnings is the ONLY place as all the others (local) have closed.

I had a few spare caboose chassis, so decided on a longer fishbelly flatcar than previously. This one scales out at 43 feet in length (585 mm). The B’mann centre cupola caboose underframe requires cutting into numerous pieces and then reassembling. The photograph simply shows the pieces glued together with no further altrerations as yet.

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With several spare centre cupola caboose bodies on hand, I tried this project as a possible use. I spent more time on this than I intended. Once I opened up the side with a large sliding door, then an interior was needed. I also added a single door to the opposite side. Grabrails still to fit. Fitted with MDC archbar trucks and older style Aristo C-16 tender wheels. Underframe required considerable alteration to reposition the truck mount bolsters. Not having any turnbuckle castings, I cut the turnbuckles from a spare B’mann Big Hauler coach underframe and drilled out to accept the trussrod wire. Cars like this were commonly used as work cars/excursion cars by narrow narrow-gauge lines. Normally they were made from converted boxcars and so would have a ridged roofline. Others were purpose built and had a rounded roof as does this car. This is not a model of a specific car but captures the flavour of similar cars used on the two-foot gauge llines. Could also be used on a logging line as an outfit/crew car.

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Matt, as requested, fishbelly with 25-ton crane and tool car.

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Thanks for the great pictures. That flat looks perfect with the crane. The MOW boxcar is nice too. Bachmann I think, right? On thing that caught my eye is how your crane is lettered. A little different then my version of the USA D&RGW crane (mine came without any lettering on the frame). Must just be different year releases. I wish I had a close up photo, but this is the best I could find showing the crane and what used to be an Aristo snowplow gondola that I now use as the crane flat/tender:

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Matt,
I purchased mine secondhand many years ago, so cannot attest to how old it is. My C&S version, I fitted a vertical boiler made from a small hairspray can (I do not know if these used locomotive steam as a power source or maybe a diesel engine?), a cylinder/winch representation and a LGB smoke unit in the stack. It is difficult to view the interior, but I know what is inside and that is important to me.

   Today, I shortened a USA Trains 40-footer MOW flatcar, from the Work series and fitted a B'mann trussrod underframe to it.  I had to use LGB trucks (shorter coupler tang than the Bachmann archbars).   The steel underframe was then shortened and fitted under a B'mann stock car.

    Today, I also progressed the longer fishbelly flatcar.  This scales out around 43 foot in length over the sills.  I tried a different approach this time.  Last night I covered the deck surface with 0.030" styrene and today covered the deck in timber strips (around 100 in total).  When the glue has cured,   I will fit the fishbelly sides.  When I built the previous version I left the timber deck until last and found it difficult to clamp the timber deck strips while the glue was drying.

Construction of the second, ‘almost’ scale length fishbelly flatcar is now completed (awaiting paint and decals). Not having sill mounted stirrupsidesteps in the spares box , I had to settle for the more common strap steps. The stake pockets are decorative only (made from Plastruct styrene ‘U’ channel). I took the easy option, once more and decided that a rivetted car was too much effort and went with a welded construction.

Car ready for the paint shop.

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