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D&RG 315, My week in Silverton

You’r Invited to stop by and visit, look around, chat a bit and or help. The week of June, Monday 22nd thru Friday the 26th, In Silverton CO. at the Silverton Northern Engine house. The Crew of D&RG #315 will be working on the Ol’Gal doing some maintenance work, and general repairs.

If your in town, or riding the D&S, stop on by and I will give you the nickel tour. Glad to meet some of you. If you want to come and generally work for a few days or so, Drop me a message at [email protected] and we will set things up.

Dave, . . . . I would LOVE to spend a week in Silverton doing “grunt work” on that engine !

But . . . I’m way out here in California ( Landers a bit north of Palm Springs area ) and am already committed to heading north on the 19th. ( Taking my lady friend to visit children and grand children in Mariposa . .then on to Stockton where I work for 4 months each year. )

Please . . please . . . next year . . . try to give more advance notice of such fun activities. So that I can plan a trip to “Narrow Gauge Country” !

I’m off tomorrow (Monday) for a week of fun and frolic in Silverton to do some routine maintenance on 315. We will be pulling the main drive rods to do a visual and mic on the bearings. Along with some more mundane stuff.

I will have time to do other stuff, while there, So if there is any requests for detail pictures, or info on the cars and engines up there, let me know and I can get them for you. Not just the 315, but any of D&Ss rolling stock setting around, and what ever.

I will have some access to the net, while in town. Let me know!

Just a short post, more to come soon! I tap this out on my phone while bunked out for the night in the Silverton Northern engine house. Way cool, I’m sleeping with a 120 year old girl tonight. Wow, the train history in this building! If only the walls could talk! Some of the “locals” say it’s haunted, i guess I’ll find out tonight.

Dave Taylor said:
Just a short post, more to come soon! I tap this out on my phone while bunked out for the night in the Silverton Northern engine house. Way cool, I’m sleeping with a 120 year old girl tonight. Wow, the train history in this building! If only the walls could talk! Some of the “locals” say it’s haunted, i guess I’ll find out tonight.

Dave . . . good to hear that you are having a good time. I’m in the parking lot of the train station in Virginia City. Will ride the train to Gold Hill this morning . . then tour the town with my lady friend. No steam power here during the week ! Damn. And I never seem to be able to get here for a weekend. :frowning: But any TRAIN is better than no train. :slight_smile:

BACK TO NARROW GAGE COUNTRY.

Since losing my job, I’ve been struggling to fine my new way. I’ve been spending more time on rail car restoration, of late and thought that I might share some of the experience, and what we (the Durango Railroad Historical Socity [DRHS]) have taken on. Earlier this year we received a Grant from the Colorado Historical Preservation Fund (funded thru a tax on casino winnings) to purchase 5 historical narrow gage cars for restoration and eventual display at the planned railcar museum display in Silverton.

One of the purchased cars came from the Georgetown Loop RR, It ended up its life with the D&RGW as a water service work car 04432.

Here is a Drawing of the car as used for work service.

And the car as we got it from the Loop before starting on the repair.

Car 04432 started life as a Class 6 Box Car 4432 ( the 3000 series boxcars that are common, are a newer series then the 4000 series). Originally built in 1899 as a 30ft, 20ton general purpose Boxcar, one of 105 new boxcars added that year. It started life as a Link and Pin coupler car, but was rebuilt in 04’ with Knuckle couplers and upgraded to air brakes to comply with the Safety Appliance Act, and had the brake staff moved to the left of the coupler. 4432 saw regular line service until converted to work service about 1916-1920. Put to work as a Bunk car in the water service division, it had a room partition with a door added to each end with either two or three bunks built in, a stove for heat/cooking, and water tank and “Sink” for cleaning up in the center section. The freight doors were removed and walk in doors installed on both sides and small windows added. Think of a very primitive RR RV. But I bet the crew was glad to have that, then nothing but an old boxcar. As a historical note, all remaining D&RGW class 6 boxcars were transferred in 1942 to the US Navy for use at Pearl Harbor.

The first order of business was to get started on replacing the roof. It has a double layer wooden roof. Over the years it had been converted during work service to have a “Asphalt Rolled roofing” cover as was very typical of work service cars. The current roof, as when we obtained it had been cobbled together with plywood and the roll roofing was mostly gone. Job one was to “Dry In” to prevent any further water damage.

As we got her.

The roof walk brackets had kept the roofing in place down the center, but the rest was gone. Removing the roof walk braces ( held down with 2 recessed lag screws per).

After removing the plywood, which was screwed down directly to the bottom roof (because the nailers and purlins had been previously removed) we found that the sub roof was in great condition, and did not remove the “Tar Paper” that was covering the bottom.

As the main waterproofer for the bottom roof we applied a complete layer of the stickiest stuff known to man “Ice and Water” shield. This stuff will peel the hair off your arms if it gets stuck to you. It was chosen because it is “Self Sealing” to any nails or punctures.

On top of this will be the “Nailer spacer Strips” and the Purlins for the roof boards on top of those.

Very cool stuff. Thanks Dave! (http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)

Dave, . . . WONDERFUL. :slight_smile: Thanks for posting.

I wish I could be there to help you.

Please notify me of any projects for next spring when it is possible for me to make a trip over then and spend a week or so helping on a project.

That’s really neat. Thanks! Amazing that the sub-roof was still in good condition which probably means most of the car is solid. Great find!

@ NGL and all, the idea is that when fitted out, this car will be used as a bunk car for overnighting work crews in Silverton. Won’t that be cool to work on real RR cars, and actually get to crash for the night in the real thing. Whip up a pot of “Cowboy Coffee” in the morning, on the coal stove that you just re-stoked.

Just might be a check off on somebodies bucket list.

Dave,

I am surprised you were not already bunking there.

Just checked and it is a 2 hour 10 minute drive from Farmington-not something I would do for a commute!

Interesting choice for rails.

Truck looks like some sort of arch bar.

I can’t tell from the pic if the top bar is flat like on many of the drop bottom gondolas, or arched in some way.

Please clarify if you have a moment.

Thanks for your wonderful pics of both this and the 315.

Love them all.

@ Don et all.

The car is currently about 5 miles south of Durango while being worked on. Thats only about an hours drive each way. So no need to overnight. The inside of the car is in a less then prime state right now. Current residents include 4, 6 and 8 legged guests, and I’m sure some others i haven’t even seen. We did find a bird nest inside one wall.

Weeellll about those trucks!

Your right about them being Archbar, like they should be for a 1899 car. When we move around cars during restoration we generally just roll them out on 2x4s placed on timbers (ties or other) as a temporary, get them off the ground, placement. After the cars set for a couple of days they dimple the 2x4s and then they won’t roll around for safety reasons while working around and under the cars.

Here is a close up of the trucks.

About those trucks! I’ll leave them up in the air for now. Study the pics and note what you might see that may be unusual or wrong or right or what ever. Let’s see who is the best at IDing trucks.

Edit: Correct fat finger typos.

Thanks for the close up pics of the trucks.

AND the puzzle!

Things I note that are not typical of the 1899 or so ones I am most familiar with are:

  1. 1 spring instead of 2
  2. wood on the bottom of the spring
  3. 2 extra flat pieces of metal meeting on the bolster, as if a later design for a heavier loaded car.
  4. VERY similar to Hartford Products(now Ozark Minatures) caboose truck, except leaf spring has been replaced by items 1 and 2 above.

Progress has been made. [ with no help from Dave ]

The New Purlins, Facias, and nailing strips have been installed.

Up next.… The new roof. We’ve had these “Drying out” for a few months.

Very cool project!! love following this post! Would love to get out there sometime and help with the restoration of these cars and 315 maintenance, but it might be a while. Keep the updates and pictures coming :slight_smile:

Was the car re-lettered, or is that clear lettering just on the other side of the car?

I’m guessing the Georgetown Loop folks lettered one side for their static display…

John

Progress on the Bunk Car.

John, you are dead on right about the paint and lettering question from David. I guess that they thought that no one would know that the other side was blank.

The 04432 now has a new wood roof. 1x6 ship lapped Fir boards ( Note: were talking true 1 x 6 wood, not the modern smaller milled sizes ).

Nine, staggered 2 3/8" nails in each board. 61 boards per side. Each board had a bevel on the ridge edge end. A string line was used to keep them down the middle.

The hole was cut for the smoke jack before the effected boards were nailed down to prevent any damage to the underlining waterproof membrane.

The Smoke Jack is the original that came on the car.

More on the smoke jack’s details later, when it comes time to install it.

The outside edges were cut flush with the nailing facias and will be beveled a bit before the next layer of the “Ice and Rain” barrier goes over the top of the new wood. The bevel is needed to help reduce the strain on the roll roofing that will be folded over the edge and nailed down. We have discovered in our research on the fleet of “Work Cars” that the first fail point on almost all the roofs is the edge where the roll roofing was folded over the side. The folding put an extra strain on that point, and cracks developed, leading to eventual failure. A number of observed cars had numerous “Tar Patches” added along this failure point. We think that we will be able to delay this failure point, by simply rounding over the sharp edge a bit, and relieving the strain factor some. We really don’t want to have to re-do the roof any time soon. This car will be on display outside in Silverton, CO, at 9300 Ft (3100m). Long cold winters, and an abundance of the dreaded UV.

Dave i don’t know if the right word is envious or jealous or what but the fact that you get to do 1:1 modeling by repairing these old cars is just awesome. I especially appreciate the knowledge you have of real car constructions.

That car is just way cool.

Oh and BTW this is the longest “week in Silverton” ever recorded. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)

I don’t know trucks but what at least seems odd to me is that for an 1899 car I wouldn’t think they would be a wood bolster truck and other wood bolster trucks I have examined (which is from pictures and very few at that) seems to have two staggered or offset springs not one heavy one.