Hi Nicholas.
You would use an American power supply. The wall plugs are different but because they are switchmode supplies they are really the same.
Vic.
About the only similarity between my stuff and the El Cheapo Basic Train Engineer is, they are using PWM.
My stuff is fully Digital Proportional control using a knob and not just push buttons.
Greg.
It seems your paranoia is starting to show again. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-smile.gif)I am not trying to pick anything apart.
I have never claimed my stuff has anywhere near the overall capability of the Revolution. It simply hasn’t.
However, it is superior in one facet of operation. Speed control is with a knob and is fully Digital Proportional.
I agree with you that the Tam Valley products might actually be a good replacement for the Revo.
The Revo has an R/C handpiece and not just a tethered cable. The consumer has a right to know what it would cost in total to replicate what Revo could do.
It was disingenuous to offer cherry picked facts as a solution. I see you now realise that and offer the facts.
I’m probably guessing now is not the right time to ask for a pony?
…a cow with knobs on it is more likely…
What kind of cow?
" Rooster " said:
What kind of cow?
Holy Cow!
Hehehe!!!
Greg Elmassian said:
No, not in DCC, because the command station performs a vital function as the central part of the system. It’s where all the brains are.
The throttles are just display stations. There are many advantages to a centralized system, but you probably don’t care about them because these advantages may not be used at your railroad.
I won’t go into these, but an example of why a central control helps is the “all stop” command… you can’t do it without either a central station from a practical standpoint.
In the Revo, and all stop requires the throttle to send individual stop commands to EVERY POSSIBLE loco, so from 1 to 99 if you have 2 throttles or more. This takes so long that you can have a crash before the commands are completed. Sure there are workarounds that mitigate this, but it’s a “system” problem.
My posts are not to start a “simple” R/C vs. wireless DCC debate (Tony!), but to answer the question of “I was happy with the Revo, what can I replace it with”, and not going “down” in capability.
The system outlined can be put together inexpensively, and in stages, and with many different mix and match components. The takeaway is the statements I already made twice, add the “dead rail” transmitter and one receiver per loco, and the rest is ANY off the shelf DCC system and off the shelf DCC decoder.
I can see this is going to get heated, so anyone that wants further explanation and desires to evaluate their options, you are welcome to email me, I’ve repeated the basic idea several times, and now I can tell it’s going to get combative. I’m trying to help, not fight.
Greg
Ack. Lots of questions, but I thought that they would be useful to many more than just me. Oh well.
There are no “simple” answers since most everyone has different needs and wants.
The great thing is that while new locos are scarce, electronics is progressing.
Greg
Greg is right.
Control requirements differ between users.
There is no “one stop” replacement for the Revo. The best that is available (at a reasonable cost), is an amalgam of parts from different suppliers.
The solution will certainly not be as inexpensive as a Revo. That reflects Revo was under priced for what you got.
if someone else takes over Crest expect a quite big jump in the street price.
Well, I was sure hoping that DCC of some sort would be the answer. The controllers that I saw on Greg’s site looked very nice. But, having to have a base station kills the whole idea.
Portability has to be factored in. As a Revolution user I am accustomed to just bringing a locomotive and a transmitter to an event. Nothing else required. The events I go to are all battery powered, so there is no place to plug in a base station. There may be 12-15 different transmitters there and that’s all folks need - their loco and there TX.
Lots of speculation on Crest with no facts to back it. The Revo did not fail, there were other circumstances. Please be patient.
My apologies, a misposting.
OK Nico, what do you know that the rest of us don’t?
Nico Corbo said:
Lots of speculation on Crest with no facts to back it. The Revo did not fail, there were other circumstances. Please be patient.
I haven’t read much speculation on Crest here. The fact is a note was sent saying Crest was done.
The only speculation I have read is what could replace the Revolution. Then again, I probably missed something…(http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-embarassed.gif)
Your definition of failure may be different than mine.
The speculation is that the Revo was not selling which caused its demise, which is not what happened. I am not the one who should say what happened as I have no vested interest in the company besides being a dealer. I wish Navin and JK nothing but the best and hope that someone will eventually continue this line as I was very happy with its performance and capabilities.
I had always pushed and prodded for the new sounds as many of us did.
Bruce, I define failure in this case as not being able keep the business afloat financially or not being what the market needs and product not selling. Companies have many reasons for closing their doors, besides poor sales.
Hope this helps,
Nico
Nico Corbo said:
The speculation is that the Revo was not selling which caused its demise, which is not what happened. I am not the one who should say what happened as I have no vested interest in the company besides being a dealer. I wish Navin and JK nothing but the best and hope that someone will eventually continue this line as I was very happy with its performance and capabilities.
I had always pushed and prodded for the new sounds as many of us did.
Bruce, I define failure in this case as not being able keep the business afloat financially or not being what the market needs and product not selling. Companies have many reasons for closing their doors, besides poor sales.
Hope this helps,
Nico
Nico,
Thanks. I did NOT get that at all from the thread. In fact I would say it was the opposite - the Revolution sold to lots of folks (and most seemed to be very pleased with it) and we were speculating what could replace it.
To me, it seemed to fail for other reasons than lack of demand.
Likewise I don’t remember anyone saying it was not selling, quite the opposite.
Nico, which post has this in it (just give the day and time), there’s 8 pages, and you are the first person to say this as I recall.
Greg
Greg Elmassian said:
Likewise I don’t remember anyone saying it was not selling, quite the opposite.
Nico, which post has this in it (just give the day and time), there’s 8 pages, and you are the first person to say this as I recall.
Here’s a quote from one of Tony’s posts on page 6: “The potential customer base must have just dwindled further and further until the plug simply had to be pulled.”
And a few other comments, including my own, as to ways that a business might fail, could be interpreted as “speculation that Revo wasn’t selling”.