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Connie trouble - electronics not gears

I finally got around to trying the used Connie I got a while back. I had changed the axle gear, and I thought I had a gearbox problem because it ran like it was stiff or had a bind. Except that the disconnected chassis has been running flawlessly on blocks for the last hour. And yes, the motor screws are tight.

That leaves an electrical problem. I found the B’mann wiring diagram, and it doesn’t clear much up as far as actually chasing down the problem (lighting reversed, firebox diodes not working) So I’m inclining toward a rip and toss. Other than changing the headlight over to an incandescent bulb, what else would be needed?
Thanks!

Coal fired boiler? :stuck_out_tongue:

Sorry, can’t help you.

Proudly not trusted with a light switch, that’s me.

That’s a new one. I’ve never seen an electrical problem manifest itself in stiff or binding chassis. Any chance something on the boiler is pressing down somewhere it shouldn’t? (First thought would be the reverse lever or something possibly pushing against the motor.) If the motor had been running flawlessly for an hour, and nothing changed between then and when you put the boiler back on the chassis, that’s where I’d look first–something in that process that introduced a mechanical bind. Could be something as simple as a piece of plastic or metal hitting a wheel. If the binding is timed to the rotation of the drivers (i.e., always binding in the same position) then it’s definitely mechanical. First, step - pull the boiler back off and see if it goes away. If it does, it’s likely some quirky mechanical thing. If it doesn’t–and you’re sure there’s no mechanical bind–bypass the on-board electronics and hook power directly to the motor–(make sure you get the power to the leads going directly to the motor, not the leads coming from the track that connect first to the filtering board.) If it runs smoothly when power is applied directly, then gut the filter board, and hook power from the on-board PC board directly to the motor and try again. If it still surges, then gut the on-board PC board so the track power goes directly to the motor if it still surges when power is applied directly to the motor, it’s either mechanical or the motor’s shot.

Later,

K

For the headlight, I wouldn’t use an incandescent bulb, I’d use an LED, but a properly-colored one. You can use the same resistor that’s in series with the stock orange LED.

Later,

K

Here’s where we are;
There IS something roasted (very brown and cracked) on the main board - so it went bye-bye. The LED boards went as well

EVERY solder joint seems to want to break off if you breathe on it, So I’m going to redo them all now rather than have to tear it apart again later. And I’ll probably replace the main pickup wires with a bit heavier stuff.

I’m going to enlarge the motor hole in the bottom of the boiler by 1/16" just for the sake of argument

And yes, I seriously thought about upgrading the motor. Who has them at a good price?

Allen, the two front sanding pipes must go ahead of the bulkhead when reassembling. If they don’t they will rub on the front drivers.

Also, no matter what else you rewire be sure and remove the small pcb on the top of the motor. If a cap fails, and it will, it can seriously affect the way the loco runs.

Tony, thanks, the sound suppressor went bye-bye months ago. Here’s what I’ve found and done so far: roasted board- boards now removed, motor and headlight (incandescent GoW now, sorry) wired direct. Smoke unit still in place but not wired.

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j371/AlleghenyValley/P1010018.jpg)

Intermittent short from braKe rigging to flanges (possibly from carrying loco or a wreck) - rigging removed

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j371/AlleghenyValley/P1010020.jpg)

Brittle wires/solder connections - redid EVERY factory connection that was still on it. Cut sand lines off short. I’m waiting for a bit of glue to dry so I can re-assemble, but with the boiler lying beside it and power introduced to the tender jack, it runs ok. Edit, update: assembled, now running smooth as silk at a crawl speed on blocks. I’m assuming the intermittant brake rigging short and a short or open in the roasted board was my problem.