Hi all,
Oh yes, slowly but surely things have been arriving in the GWN.
The LGB car has been around for a while, the BRAWA car got here last week; special delivery by SWMBO since she spent the weekend in Vancouver and picked up on the way home.
Elisabeth was just as curious about what she brought home as I was.
Alright so we set the LGB beside the BRAWA car and she asks: “Are they both supposed to represent the same car?”
Hmmmmmm … yes!?!
That’s the opening statement, more to follow. 
And where are the pictures…
Warren Mumpower said:They are a-coming together with the rest of the review.
And where are the pictures.....:D
One day closer. In order to make a nicer setting I’m rigging up a piece of track - TOC’s favourite ME stuff - on a bed of sand and proper ballast.
That old “track on Melamine” just won’t do any more :).
Well she’s a-drying
It’s 30ºC in the shade and things are drying very quickly. Just need to camou that pink styrofoam with a bit of earth tone, clean the track and … that’s it. Photo track ready!
Surely the paint is dry by now!!!
HJ’s out watering the garden…
Warren Mumpower said:SWMBO sure wishes that were true. :D
HJ's out watering the garden....:D
Priorities, priorities! Have to get the kitchen reno added to the “done” column first.
Ya can’t do that pecking at the keyboard…
Warren Mumpower said:
Ya can't do that pecking at the keyboard....:/
Just trying to keep HJ on course…
First snap shots
Prototype:
©Dampfverein RhB
They both appear to be nice looking models. But I do see some differences…mostly in the roof line. The thing is I don’t know which is correct without a picture of the prototype. I also don’t know which LGB and which is Brawa. How about a pic of them together too. Also a price comparison would be appropriate.
Warren Mumpower said:
They both appear to be nice looking models. But I do see some differences…mostly in the roof line. The thing is I don’t know which is correct without a picture of the prototype. I also don’t know which LGB and which is Brawa. How about a pic of them together too. Also a price comparison would be appropriate.
Warren, Don’t worry, all the nitty gritty is coming up! Just to give everyone an idea of how detailed the proto dimensions can be, here’s the drawing for that Class of coach
Courtesy of and with the permission of a German acquaintance. No reason to reinvent the wheel when someone has already redrawn the original drawing.
To this untrained eye , they look the same to me .
But my guess would be , the top one with the red thingy , and the windows all closed , is the Brawa .
BUT , neither model has those two things sticking up from the roof either side of a vent on one end as the drawing shows .
The track and ballast and background and everything makes them look good .
If there is a problem with either of the two cars running on a layout outside in a train , …then somebody is a really serious modeler , with good eye sight .
Does Brawa use LGB type couplers on their products ? Or perhaps a better question would be , did LGB develop those hook and loop couplers design , or is it a old common use product ?
The pictures are like a flame to a moth , for me …, I keep looking to see what the difference’s are .
Ok besides the 2 little additional things on the roof on the drawing that the models do not have , the 3 vents are different on the models , than on the drawing .
The top model seems to have too much material thinkness just under the roof , above where you climb the steps , compared to the drawing , where the bottom model looks more like the drawing shows .
And there is even that little strip / lip , on the edge of the roof on the drawing , which is on the bottom photo , and not on the top photo ?
This is really hard for me , to tell the difference between the 2 pictures , which is a toy and which is the model .
Can I change my guess , to the top one is the LGB , and the bottom one is the Brawa ?
Dennis,
You can change your guess as often as you like. It isn’t a competition. No points awarded, no trinkets to be won.
You changed the photos ? I sure hope it wasn’t to make the difference’s even more obvious as to which was which brand ? You removed the couplers for this set . The botom photo , with the 3 open windows , IS , the LGB Gummi Here is the real car picture , from the web site ,railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/narrow_gauge/RhB/car/passenger/historic/RhB_C_2012.jpg
It looks to me like the material thickness under the roof , above the steps , is too thick on the Brawa model , maybe ?
OK first dimensions from the LGB product are like this when compared to the proto
Here is the blurb that is on the LGBoA product page for the 30340
Quote:
… … This twin-axle, 3rd class passenger car was acquired in 1889 and was a staple in Rhätische Bahn passenger consists. After many years of service, it was relegated to use as a maintenance vehicle, and in 1998, it was retired. However, the RhB enthusiast group, club 1889, rescued the car, restoring it by hand and returning it to service in 1999. Since then, the C 2012 has been available for special trains on the Swiss narrow-gauge line. The LGB model is a faithful replica of the original complete with interior furnishings and authentic livery and lettering. … …
the same chart for the Brawa product looks like this
the blurb from the Brawa site reads like this:
Quote:
… … Der C.2012 ist derzeit der einzige noch weitgehend im Ursprungszustand erhaltene Personenwagen aus der Anfangszeit der Landquart-Davos-Bahn, der Keimzelle der heutigen Rhätischen Bahn. Im Jahre 1889 lieferte die SIG in Neuhausen am Rheinfall diesen Wagen, bis 1944 stand er im regulären Personenzugdienst. Von 1944 bis 1988 überlebte er als Montagewagen Xk9034, danach wurde er aufwändig restauriert und weitgehend in den Ablieferungszustand versetzt. Heute ist er Teil des historischen Dampfzuges der RhB und kommt regelmäßig bei Sonderfahrten zum Einsatz. … …
Not a single claim as to authenticity, faithful replication or any such. Not necessary, just deliver the steak and forget about the sizzle!! More measurements to follow, but the trend is crystal clear.
Thanks
You are da man for sure .HJ…vernier .02 mm accuracy , digital vernier .01 mm accuracy , and last but not least , the height gauge .02 mm accuracy , nothing gets by you !
