Large Scale Central

Challenge Build 2013

Nice!

Does that barn have a rooster weather vane?

Got to work some last night, Getting way to close to the finishing line.

Got the blue print drawn for the Interior Bedroom wall.

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And got the wall framed, but did not get fire blocks in.

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My mind is turning to the celling joists and rafters, I have no idea of the roof lines.

Hey Dave!!

Where’s the floor?? The decking should go down before the second stoy walls. It’s real hard to put furnature on the joists. :slight_smile:

Bob C.

Very nice Dave.

This whole build takes me back… When I was a kid we lived in a new development - for several years we had new houses going up all around us. Places like the one you’re building here were my playground!

Here we go again, It must be Groundhogs Day! (Pun Intended). Got some time to draw up the framing detail for yet another 2nd floor wall.

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The door way is for a small closet.

And got it framed, Still no Fire blocking on the second floor.

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If only I didn’t have to work tomorrow.

Help needed. Bob C. called me on it. The floor decking would always be put down before the 2nd floor walls would go up. If i deck the floor it would hide from view most or all the detail in the 1st floor, as this is to be a ground level building. I have thought of doing a parcel decking and leaving some of it open to help the view thru to the 1st floor. My plan to call it finished was to have the roof part way done with ceiling joists and rafters about half way framed with the ridge pole sticking out.

Please chime in as to if I should do it technically correct, or incorrectly more open?

After work today I have to jump in and do it one way or the other, as there is almost no time left in the challenge.

Well, maybe your guys don’t know the technical way :wink: How about some boards to at least act as temporary walkways? Sure looks good.

Go with Bruce on this, Dave. Bob Cope is probably right - it makes sense and probably is the way things are done, especially nowadays, but y’know what? That last picture of yours where you could see right through to the floor below is exactly what took me back to my childhood.

I can remember many a day skipping across open floors from joist to joist like that, getting a big kick out of my own youthful agility, leaping to grab onto wall frames or temporary 2x4 railings that the laborers had put up by the stair wells, both before and after the stairs were in place. I loved the feeling 2" wood edges on the soles of my feet.

I remember clambering across the foundation holes surrounding these houses, on temporary bridges made of 2x12’s that sloped up from the ground outside to the top of the concrete block basement walls.

These bridges were used by the workmen to get in there, and during the day you’d see them wheeling barrows back and forth on them. My impression was that these barrows usually contained concrete, and since then I have seen many an old construction wheelbarrow encrusted with old concrete.

Those bridges bounced nicely too, especially if you ran on them, or jumped up and down in the middle. Yup, we fell, too, sometimes, and came home with scraped knees and elbows, torn jeans, the occasional bruise.

These sites were great places for hide and seek, cops and robbers, and our favorite: cowboys and Indians. There were plenty of piles of dirt around these places for climbing and hiding behind, and for shooting at each other from as well.

During the workday the workers’d chase us kids away, but end of the day, once they’d gone home, and on weekends too, all these building sites were ours!

Sometimes the workers would leave a fire smoldering overnight. Then all us young cowboys would get it going again - there was plenty of wood scrap fuel around - and we’d have a fire just like cowboys in the movies. Go home and get a pack lunch fro our Moms and sit around the campfire bragging to each other about this and that.

Great times!

You could satisfy everyone by using the bridges and start the rough flooring in one corner where ir won’t block the light.

Now that Phil didn’t see his shadow we have “lots of time” before the deadline!

If you wanted to get REALLY technical, they would have the outside walls up and sheathed, and the roof on and shingled before they started on anything on the inside…but that would ruin the effect…:wink:

After a quick reality check, the time frame being modeled is more likely to have been ‘Balloon Construction’ rather than the ‘Plate and Shoe’ style we see today. Your construction is correct (except for the lack of second floor decking) for the latter plate and shoe construction. Balloon Construction would be more typical of the older time frame (pre 1950), and would have allowed for and most likely been open like you are trying to depict. I retract my criticism and will easily turn a ‘Blind Eye’ to the minor ‘MIX’ of construction techniques (which did occur from time to time).

John, there is nothing wrong with your recollections. A small bit of research revealed that Balloon Construction was very prevalent in Canada and the US pre 1950.

Dave, do a search for ‘Balloon Construction’ and you will get a plethora of information and a good amount of pictures and diagrams of balloon construction, which might help you understand construction techniques better.

I will go to my corner now and behave.

Bob C.

Bob

Your house, your rules. Go with what gets the story you want to tell across.

Ron

Good Info, Bob Cope.

Further memories: the ditches around those houses were a big part of the fun. Effectively, they were the perimeter of the excavation outside the foundation walls, and were as deep as the footings, I guess abiout eight feet deep, the concrete wall on one side, the sloping excavation on the other, with mounds of earth at grade level, adjacent to the ditch.

This moat ran all the way around, in places only a foot or two wide at the bottom, in others, maybe four or five. Water in there after a rain of course.

The scraps of lumber lying around the place made good boats, and as you crouched against the embankment, you could push the boats with a stick, your shoes slowly getting wetter and wetter as your feet slipped lower and lower. Then you’d scrabbled along the embankment to to control your boat, and occasionally sit down when on the earthen slope behind you whenever the opportunity presented itself…

Another thing: If you were in the house you could leap from the top of the foundation or from the first floor right out across the ditch to land on all fours against that opposite slope, and from there scramble to the top.

You could also leap from the 12" bridges I’ve described, either to the embankment, or, if the ditch were dry, to its bottom. That was an eight foot drop and it took some guts. It was usually done only on a dare.

One of the greatest activities was to slide down those embankments on your rear end all the way to the bottom.

Of course, those ditches were great for tag games and hide and seek. And for me I think the biggest kick was climbing back out again. I used to look for particularly challenging-looking slopes to conquer. Oh how grubby I must have been when I got home!!!

Now I’m reminded of another thing - there was a constant hazard in these places as well - getting a nail in your foot!

Boards left lying around with protruding nails were not all that common, but they weren’t exactly a rarity either.

It happened to me a few times - maybe once in each of those cowboy and Indian years.

Let’s just say that by the time I reached adolescence, the Tetanus shot and I were old acquaintances!

Cheers, and thanks for the memories!

I went ahead and left it open on the flooring. Bob’s reference to balloon framing works as this was to be early 19th century. I’m really thrashing on this thing in the short time we have left. Working on the roofing details, and the rafter pitch.

BTW, I spent several of the few remaining hours on getting the 2nd floor blocking done. I was going to blow it off, but it really needed it, and finished or not, I wanted it to be right, as far as I got done, This thing will live long after the “Challenge” is over.

Funny thing is Dave when the challenge first started I thought 5 weekends that is a long time I will be done in 2… guess what life gets in the way and all that time was needed and my project is half of yours.

I say your RR your building so why not bribe the inspector and build it the way you want.

Here’s an idea if you get tired of framing you could torch part of the house and say some Hobos got in there and now work has stopped pending the insurance investigation?

Looking good. Be sure to post your final photos on the build challenge final thread.

Worked way to late last night, especially for this head colded old man. Pretty much finished up the roof framing.

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2x10’s x24’ 16" OC for the celling joists. And 2x8’s for the rafters.

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I’ll work on some detailing today. Saw horses, ladders, Junk, etc. It looks like rain today, So not sure if I will get it out side for Photo shoot.

15 hrs to go…I think that I will need all of it. Nave to do some Shooting @ the Portrait Studio today.

Dam work gets in the way of fun…

That’s just plain Awesome, Dave! Way to go!

Finaly gave up and got it outside.

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