Hi all,
On July 28th there was the first reaction from NZ. Found at the usual locations, title “That was the first reaction from Nrbg Zeitung”
Happy reading. 
My “Usual location” is here at LSC…why can’t I get the facts here ?
Hmmmmmmmm…BTO went down…critical error…!!
It’s been doing that off and on for several days. Probably server trouble, again!
I just checked and it was OK.
Or jus a DOS attack.
Funny what all those e-mails can do to a server…
Or a bank…
Or a bid…
Curmudgeon said:
Or jus a DOS attack. Funny what all those e-mails can do to a server.......Or a bank…
Or a bid…
Jonesy from Dads Army had a saying which I believe was apropos of the 1st WW in the Middle East, for a situation where some people who didn’t like what was happening to them, but deserved the treatment nonetheless.
It went something like this:
“Captain Mainwaring Sir!!! They don’t like it when it’s up them, those … …”
TonyWalsham said:Curmudgeon said:
Or jus a DOS attack. Funny what all those e-mails can do to a server.......Or a bank…
Or a bid…
Jonesy from Dads Army had a saying which I believe was apropos of the 1st WW in the Middle East, for a situation where some people who didn’t like what was happening to them, but deserved the treatment nonetheless.It went something like this:
“Captain Mainwaring Sir!!! They don’t like it when it’s up them, those … …”
Mr Walsham - you ARE allowed to write the words ‘Fuzzy-wuzzies’, but NOT to speak them out loud, just in case there are any Sudanese followers of the late Mahdi out there who may get offended. It was not a term used in WW1, but in the Mahdi Wars of the mid 1880s, on account of the generously frizzy head-fur worn by the followers of that particular dusky-toned gentleman.
I am also allowed to write the word ‘Gollywog’, as it is part of the title of a piece of semi-classical interlude music.
My squadron boss in Germany, who had done a tour with 617 [Dambusters] Sqn, had a dog, cat and parrot, all called Nigger, in honour of the memory of Guy Gibson’s pet of the same name.
MY squadron nick-name was ‘Token Frog’, an allusion to not only my intitials [TF], but to my 95% French name. My family left France a leap ahead of the royal executioner of Phillipe La Bel, erstwhile king of France, in 1312, BTW.
tac
Hi Terry.
I can’t really argue with the history lesson except for one possible point.
Whilst undoubtedly an old soldier, I doubt very much the character was much older then his early seventies. Did 80 yo’s actively serve in the Home Guard?
If Jonesy had served in the early part of the Mahdi wars he would have to be at least in his eighties having served as a 20 yo. The later part of the wars would date him as being almost 80.
Perhaps it was the follow up campaign in 1898 in the Sudan where he served as he continually refers to Kitchener not Gordon. That would place him as being in his middle to late '60’s.
I take it you got the point of the quotation?
Incorrect though my dating of his service may have been.
TonyWalsham said:
Hi Terry.I can’t really argue with the history lesson except for one possible point.
Whilst undoubtedly an old soldier, I doubt very much the character was much older then his early seventies. Did 80 yo’s actively serve in the Home Guard?
If Jonesy had served in the early part of the Mahdi wars he would have to be at least in his eighties having served as a 20 yo. The later part of the wars would date him as being almost 80.
Perhaps it was the follow up campaign in 1898 in the Sudan where he served as he continually refers to Kitchener not Gordon. That would place him as being in his middle to late '60’s.I take it you got the point of the quotation?
Incorrect though my dating of his service may have been.
Dear Mr Walsham - L/Cpl Jones in ‘Dad’s Army’ was a caricature of the ‘Old Soldier’, not a true replication. You are correct in your assumption that his ‘persona’ may have taken part in the Kitchener campaign - at one point he refers to that ‘me and that nice Mr Churchill at the battle of Omdurman’. The term ‘Fuzzy-wuzzy’ however, remains an epithet stemming from the Mahdi wars, and was made popular by the poems of Mr Kipling, when writing about the later war.
However, notwithstanding L/Cpl Jones’ real or simulated age, the top age bracket for the Home guard was 65, or older if you had something more to offer. There were, of course, many members of the HDF who were much younger, as well as poor Pike, plainly a half-wit, or as we say, a few shingles short of a roof. Many members had served in WW1, but were deemed too damaged to be re-cycled for front-line action in a second war, for one reason or another - usually injuries and the long-term results of them.
My grandfather would probably have served in both wars, in some capacity, as he was only 21 when he died in 1917.
Anyway, this thread is now waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too serious for me. I’m going out to kill something in the woods.
tac
P.S. - Yes, I got the ‘point’ of your quotation, thanks. Even an old fart like me can still retain a few functioning brain-cells…
in regards to the BTOC subject, its truely amazing how its always everyone elses fault, and never the fault of those who put the company in that position in the first place.
Anyone here ever see the documentary “Enron, the smartest guys in the room” ?
If you haven’t, seek it out at your video store, highly educational…
Why accept responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else…:?
I always thought that was the American way, but it seems that certain Europeans do that too.
Victor Smith said:
in regards to the BTOC subject, its truely amazing how its always everyone elses fault, and never the fault of those who put the company in that position in the first place.Anyone here ever see the documentary “Enron, the smartest guys in the room” ?
If you haven’t, seek it out at your video store, highly educational…
Yes Vic,
It was put in proper perspective by one guy on a German forum.
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You obtain loans because you don’t have enough of your own money i.e. the business doesn’t produce enough profit to satisfy the required investments.
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You fall behind on the loans because of … (see point 1)
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You negotiate with the lenders and arrive at a mutually satisfactory solution i.e. in LGB’s case that was a moratorium which expired on Aug 31st 2006.
All of the above happens over a period of several years, conditions may or may not improve during that period. The loans are still outstanding, the moratorium will expire at the stipulated date and then the lenders will decide what action(s) they will take.
If one tries a few moves that are not all that transparent - especially to the banks - then there will be dire consequences.
But in the end it’s always the bank’s fault. They have no business lending money and expecting to be repaid on time and in full.
Warren Mumpower said:
Why accept responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else...:?I always thought that was the American way, but it seems that certain Europeans do that too.
Warren
Rolf Richter attended the University of Santa Cruz for part of his education, he could have picked up a few “pointers”. 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Victor Smith said:
in regards to the BTOC subject, its truely amazing how its always everyone elses fault, and never the fault of those who put the company in that position in the first place.Anyone here ever see the documentary “Enron, the smartest guys in the room” ?
If you haven’t, seek it out at your video store, highly educational…
Yes Vic,It was put in proper perspective by one guy on a German forum.
You obtain loans because you don’t have enough of your own money i.e. the business doesn’t produce enough profit to satisfy the required investments.
You fall behind on the loans because of … (see point 1)
You negotiate with the lenders and arrive at a mutually satisfactory solution i.e. in LGB’s case that was a moratorium which expired on Aug 31st 2006.
All of the above happens over a period of several years, conditions may or may not improve during that period. The loans are still outstanding, the moratorium will expire at the stipulated date and then the lenders will decide what action(s) they will take.
If one tries a few moves that are not all that transparent - especially to the banks - then there will be dire consequences.But in the end it’s always the bank’s fault. They have no business lending money and expecting to be repaid on time and in full.
Add getting very upset when the bank acts like its “their” money…
What is interesting is the breadth of the mis-information.
Last night I got an e-mail that included this line (additional spacing original):
“We all know your feelings on LGB.”
Interesting.
We do?
Obviously not.
But, hang onto your seats.
It might get even MORE interesting.
Warren Mumpower said:
Why accept responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else...:?I always thought that was the American way, but it seems that certain Europeans do that too.
Weaseling out of things is a vital skill. It’s what seperates us from the animals … except, maybe, the weasel." Homer Simpson
Dave,
I have a ‘modest’ collection of the product line and yet my ‘criticisms’ would place me in the band of red box brigade haters (according to some who voice a more pro- ‘LGB’ lobbyist attitude). I live for my LGB and consider every piece a gem. What irks me is the apparently blatant attempt to circumvent normal legal practice to discharge a debt and reform a ‘new’ company. This is a process that was well known in Australia some years ago, whereby a company, heavily burdened with debt, would close its doors on a Friday and re-open on Monday with a new operating name and totally free of debt - same premises, same employees, same type of work being carried out.
If dishonest actions have prevailed, then I hope that the courts take the full measure of the law, as the company product line, guilty by association, has taken a drop in public acceptability as a result. The lobbyists would rather discredit the collectors, than accept that there may be something fishy emanating from both sides of the Atlantic. The end result could see both companies going under the auctioneer's hammer.Tim,
It all boils down to faith. You gotta have faith, look straight ahead, never waver and believe what the “high priest” tells you. Has been like that for a very long time and probably will for some time to come.
There is one advantage in this age: they don’t subject the non-believers to the inquisition and they’ve done away with the stake. They just try to shut you up by any other means possible. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tim Brien said:
Dave, I have a 'modest' collection of the product line and yet my 'criticisms' would place me in the band of red box brigade haters (according to some who voice a more pro- 'LGB' lobbyist attitude). I live for my LGB and consider every piece a gem. What irks me is the apparently blatant attempt to circumvent normal legal practice to discharge a debt and reform a 'new' company. This is a process that was well known in Australia some years ago, whereby a company, heavily burdened with debt, would close its doors on a Friday and re-open on Monday with a new operating name and totally free of debt - same premises, same employees, same type of work being carried out.If dishonest actions have prevailed, then I hope that the courts take the full measure of the law, as the company product line, guilty by association, has taken a drop in public acceptability as a result. The lobbyists would rather discredit the collectors, than accept that there may be something fishy emanating from both sides of the Atlantic. The end result could see both companies going under the auctioneer's hammer.</blockquote>Tim
Over in America, they did just that. It was called Amtrak and the taxpayers footed it. It was reborn with a stroke of the pen. Debts were forgiven and the rails were consolidated.
The banks did not favor saving jobs…just financing from the M company that was already on shakey ground.
Vioc
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