Well then Todd, I will defer to the haggard assortment of barflies …err I mean Judges…to arbitrate what shall constitute the “Front Door” itself then.
I await there ‘sober’ decision.
Todd, I’m confused by your post. You start out by stating that you think that the door should be exactly the same for everyone, as a starting point.
Then you go on to say how the doors can be different, and so on.
Do you want to contribute a design?
I think the consensus is a front door, choose your own scale, but it has to have a window. No one has said that the window has to be intact. Footprint no greater than 12 X 12 inches in 1:24 proportions. A bit bigger for 1:20.3, a bit smaller for 1:32. Beyond that, no other rules.
Do we have a committee of judges?
How do the barflies respond to this suggestion: that we measure the footprint in square inches? At present the conversation seems to have gravitated to a 12x12" square, which seems to me a pretty small box, and one that I’d be hard pressed to find space for on my new benchwork as well, by the way…
A 12x12 square is 144 of those little square inches, so if we broke out of the 12x12 box, we could then build a structure any shape under that size. Say 7x21, or 6x24, or 5x29, or 4x36… etc. (here and there I’ve rounded up to the next inch.) or a combination-type irregular shape, not merely a rectangle, while we’re at it…
Any takers?
I like your idea John, any shape. Keep to the equivalent area of a 12" X 12" square in 1/24 scale. So 576 sq. ft. in whatever scale suits your fancy or your RR.
I like that idea.
See, this proves that even a bag piper has two neurons to rub together.
Geoff Ringle said:
I like the front door with window idea.
I have a suggestion regarding scale - the not to exceed footprint should be relative to scale, stated in scale feet. A 24’ x 24’ footprint in 1/24 scale would be 12" x 12". One to twenty point three would be 14.2" x 14.2" and so on…
Yep, I think this makes the most sense - tying the area to scale.
Bruce Chandler said:
Geoff Ringle said:
I like the front door with window idea.
I have a suggestion regarding scale - the not to exceed footprint should be relative to scale, stated in scale feet. A 24’ x 24’ footprint in 1/24 scale would be 12" x 12". One to twenty point three would be 14.2" x 14.2" and so on…
Yep, I think this makes the most sense - tying the area to scale.
Honestly I disagree…
I’m thinking you should keep it straight forward and simple.
I say stay with in a certain parameter (say 12"X12" or whatever) and build to what ever scale you wish. I love the door idea as well and it should also have the same requirement or perhaps not say a “certain door” but why not a rough opening dimension? (possibly a 1.5" W x 3.5" H rough opening) which must be documented with a standard ruler in the picture. Scale out how the modeler wishes but you don’t have to build by any scale (we all have a measuring device)…
If we want to attract new folk into the hobby you don’t want to overwhelm them with scale and gauge however this also challenges the upper level modeler’s mind as to what can be done. These are the parameters to work with and lets see what ya’ got kinda thing is what I’m thinking?
The materials, techniques are always endless …straight up and simple rules… “most of all keep it fun cause it’s a hobby!”
Oh and as for prizes …the best prize one can have is the satisfaction of knowing they have or CAN accomplish something they can be proud of with the help of brotheren hobbyists like it has always been at LSC.
Shut up Rooster your having a double rainbow moment!
Not to pluck any feathers David but a “front door with a window” is pretty darn generic to start with.
I will defer Johns request to the barfluous judges. I think it violates the basic idea but I will ceed that to our esteemed motley crew.
Having read all the discussion, I’m even more confused. I model in 1:32, so my building can be approximately 30feet on a side if we’re bound to a one foot square. If we use 900 sq ft, then I could build something rectangular or square (or round, like a silo or a barn) as long as the area was under 900 sq ft? Would a two story building with 900 square feet on the ground floor be considered OK, as it would really have 1800 sq ft?
And does the door have to be a certain size? A barn door is much larger than an outhouse door. What to do?
Maybe I’ll just sit back until the rules are clear and concise. TIA, all
K.I.S.S.
So far it looks very confusing. What is it this building sub… post to be?? House, Store, Garage, Shop, maybe a Storage building with a window in the door?
What kind of a window… Round, Oval, Sq. Rectangle, Peek hole?
Dick Friedman has seen our Dutch Barn Storage building that we can try to make a scale model one. It has no windows other than top half of the Dutch door. Does that count? We can make it about foot print size.
Like Dick F. said.
"Maybe I’ll just sit back until the rules are clear and concise. TIA, all " LOL
Way too may numbers for me. Why cant we just make it a door with a window. A door is a door. Not sure why size matters. Its not like someone will make a door for a 10ft person. I would think everyones door will be around the same give or take some. In the meantime Ill be over here watching that double rainbow with Rooster
I agree “Way too many numbers for me”
My original idea clarified a bit. What if we made the door a very common type which would fit in from 1850-2013 and a common scale somewhere inbetween 1:32 and 1:20 then let the clever minds work out how they will use it.
If you model true 1:20 but the door is a 1:24 then maybe the door could be built into a correctly scaled barn or shop door. I have seen that many times in real life. A 1:24 door in 1:32 could be added to another and suddenly it is a small barn door. I have seen this in real life as well when guys have made small doorways in their garages next to the full size door for their golf carts or lawn mowers.
The basic door could be on a outhouse, a tree house, a depot, a victorian mansion, how about a shed or for the modellers in tornado prone states and who are short on time, a door to a storm shelter?
The posibilities are endless.
What will the time frame for this challenge be? I liked in the dead of Winter like it was last year.
I agree the rules will need to be tightened up.
Todd
How about this
A: Door:
Door to be a “Front Door” type door with window, door can be any style single panel type door, window can be any size or style within the door panel, door has to be included somewhere on the finished model.
That means it doesn’t HAVE to be the FRONT door, it just to be located SOMEWHERE on the final model. There shall be at least one door like this, but that doesn’t exclude using a pair for an entry if one choses to use a double door or the use of other door types on the final model (sliding, rolling, etc).
B: Size:
While 12" x 12" is preferred, given the scale druthers than seam to endlessly torment this hobby, allowances for up to 15" x 15" square will be granted if you are modeling something in 1/20.3
Either that or we simply stipulate that the size is a minimum of 12" x 12" to a maximum of 15" x 15". This overall size can include any diorama display base upon which the model is built if it is part of the finished model, this means the size is not necessarily the building dimensions itself, this will allow for a wide range of options for the building types themselves.
IOWs you can build a 15’ x 15" 4 story brick cathouse with an ornate Victorian entry door or a 2" x 2" outhouse on a 12" x 12" diorama base with a derelict front door leaning against said outhouse, or anything in between, get it?
That should address that problem.
That seams simple enough. Does the Privy Council of Honorable Barflies concur?
I thort that was clear.
1. MAXIMUM size is to be 144 square inches, IF you model in 1:24 proportions. If you choose a different scale, then the max can slide a bit. If you choose 1:13.7, it slides a lot towards the big side. If you choose 1:32, then it slides the other way. You have to state what scale you are modeling. This allows you to get away from the square building, if you choose. Of course, you can build a structure that has a foot print that is smaller than 144 square inches in 1:24 proportion. Note, this is the building’s footprint, not the base’s foot print. It shouldn’t make a difference, anyway, because smaller is ok.
2. There must be a front door with a window, of the proper scale, included in the finished product. The front door does not have to be installed as “the front door.” Nothing says the window must be intact. It can be a derelict door.
These are the only two rules that have been accepted by the “lifeform with 6 or more legs and no brain,” AKA "“The Committee.”
We really need to stop trying to make this hard.
I agree, keep it simple. Ya wanna make this simple? Then give us real world dimensions. If the building is to be no larger than 15 feet on a side, or 20, or whatever, say so. Then 1:24 guys know how big to make it, as well as us 1:32’ers. And if someone wants to accept the challenge in N-scale, they can do it too.
As for the door, I’m OK with a residential/commercial front door. If I need more than that, I can add a barn door or an overhead door, or whatever, on the rear or side, etc.
Since I’m legally blind I’ll just apply the 10-foot rule. It’ll be ok!
Steve I am fine with those rules.
Dick, in simple terms we have been given our max dimension: 24 feet square at whatever scale you chose, or proportion thereof, not exceeding the sq in area limit.
12" =24’ @ 1/24 scale, so 24’ x 24’ in your chosen scale or proportion thereof.
I think that would work fine. Afterwards I’m going to add loading platforms, etc. but that’s no problem. I was thinking along that line anyway.
Rather then worry about size just make it a door that is one specific color to all. Something like a red door with a window. That way when everyone has the structure built that red door will stand out.