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Bug Mauler crash n bash - Mark II

It’s no secret that the Bachmann 10 wheelers are not my favorite locomotives… not even in the top 15… It’s a mediocre model of a not very balanced looking prototype. I’ve owned about 4. Because they were cheap, and so was I. But they just look goofy on small layouts. It’s also no secret that I have been trying for quite some time to sell a highly modified 5th generation one that I rebuilt from an unrun, but dropped Christmas version… With absolutely no luck…

Well, a couple weeks ago, I was moving the unloved thing to dust under it and it tumbled AGAIN (about 6 feet to the floor this time) ---- destroying the cab roof and breaking off a running board, as well as deranging the geometry of the cylinders. Soooooooooo, having been reduced in value to a parts locomotive once again, this engine will be getting a MAJOR overhaul — into something that I can run on the AV. I still HAVE Delton C-16 cabs, but the Bachmann boiler is just way too big to simply swap it. I also have a C-16 boiler shell… but it’s MUCH smaller than the 10 wheeler’s … major meatball surgery will be needed to make this work. First steps… remove the entire B’mann superstructure. Cut away everything above the drivers, and shorten it about 4" from several locations.

Here is a mock-up, so you can see where we are headed…

Now, I’ve got some questions from those who’ve already butchered on these things: 1. What is the simplest way to move the long crankpin to the rear axle? Cut and Splice? Fabricate from tube? give up and just shorten the rods for the center axle? I’d really like to retain the Walsherts valve gear if I can. 2. Can the smoke unit be repaired? The thin wire broke one of the times it crashed and the little tube has become dislodged. If It can’t I’ll just use an old 18v LGB unit that I already have here. 3. Is it worth the effort to try to shorten the pony truck, or should I just get a Kalamazoo part or scratchbuild it?

I modified mine to make it closer in appearance to the Tweetsie engine, shortened the lead truck as well as the pilot

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I think I came close in that area

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Note that it will do a 4 1/2’ radius curve but nothing sharper

very very short pony truck… not sure yet if a 2 wheel one might not be a better choice.

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Started to transfer the re-usable parts from the Bachmann carcass

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Dunno, Does it look TOO odd?

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I think it would make a very nicely proportioned Mogul. I’d opt for the two wheel pilot truck.

Nice work so far by the way. I like the small chunky appearance. Somewhat like Argent Lbr. Co’s engines.

Big Improvment. Things happen for a reason.

OK, the mogul guys won. I also extended the rods (with coffee stirrers and glue - we’ll see if they need pinned. The sound trigger was removed… thinking about using the 2 pin connector to bring additional power from the tender

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Since the B’mann builder’s plates say July 1918, the 1870’s smokebox door had to go… So I cut down the bug mauler one to fit.

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All the custom piping from the bug mauler was salvaged and installed. It’s getting kind of crowded in there.

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How it looks at the moment. Yes, it has an Annie airpump - the one that I had installed on the bug mauler.

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Later today I’ll install pressure the B’mann guages, reinstall the weight, wire the headlight and maybe a cab light. But I’m still in need of a steam dome that fits.

Well, it’s coming along… Most of what I did today doesn’t show, though. And I still need a steam dome.

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busketti!

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Anybody know how much weight you can safely add to a 5th gen bug mauler without trashing the drive?

Mik,
I need a steam dome for a C-16 too. Let me know if you find a source.

I wouldn’t put any more weight in a Big Hauler than the stock weight.
Ralph

Ralph, I found a flat topped 3/4" Scheduled 40 PVC pipe cap for 34c… I think with some carving it will do until sumptin better comes along.

Roger on the weight, I guess. I have room for about 8oz, so I thought I’d ask.

I modified the pipe cap to fit. And scrounged up the Vanderbilt tender that I started back in January. Jury is out on both.

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Ozark has a nice dome… for $9 - not quite sure it will fit http://www.ozarkminiatures.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=720

Crash & Bash? Mine did that a couple weeks ago. Then last week…

The last day or so saw the smokebox wiring soldered, and two axles on the tender fitted with pickups.

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The Vandy got ladders and a brakewheel. I still need to make railings and a water hatch, as well as repaint the Lionel fireman in non glossy colors and build a fall plate.

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I think it’s nearly becoming acceptable. I do want to add an upper band to the steam dome before I mount the safeties and a whistle… any ideas how, other than .032x1/4 brass strip?

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It sorta looks like a locomotive! I didn’t HAVE anything but .060x1/4" brass here… so I spent an hour rolling a hoop with a pair of needlenose pliers and a sore thumb.

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Since it’s to be a passenger lok, I used up my last Trackside Details steptop chime, and recycled the Ozark Miniatures safeties from the Bug Mauler carcass

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Steel wire handrails and a 2c water hatch (literally, it’s 2 pennies and a short bit of plastic center from a cash register tape)

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Still need to wire pick-ups for the pony truck, make tool boxes for right ahead of the ladders, steps, and cut levers for the tender…then apply a final coat of color, decals and some very light weathering… maybe 2 more evenings worth of work.

Looking good so far.

I thought I’d inflict a few more pix on you guys. It really doesn’t look that bad outside, even if it’s not quite finished.

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[/url] It ran real well considering I haven’t cleaned the rails in a month.

Looks like it runs pretty smooth.
I haven’t cleaned my rails in 6 months. The locos that give me problems, do so when the rails are clean too.
The other engines run fine whether I clean the rails or not.
Ralph

The pony truck stayed on for 40 laps… I never got a regular 4 wheel bug mauler one to stay on for 1.

As for smooth, it bloody well better… I went through the whole mechanism looking for burrs, spurs, binds and anything else while I had it apart, plus a complete re-lube (new mechanism, remember) with LGB grease and oil.

Now, what’s the max consist for one of these without risking trashing the drive?

That Great Northern, and Texas & Pacific, type paint job is one of my favorites. Don’t know what post 1900 locomotive would look bad in that livery.

Mik said:
It really doesn’t look that bad outside, even if it’s not quite finished.

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Mik said:
The pony truck stayed on for 40 laps....

Now, what’s the max consist for one of these without risking trashing the drive?


I don’t know about maximum. I pull no more than 3 boxcars and a caboose with my Big Haulers.
With my Annies, I have pulled six boxcars and a caboose. But I usually use 4 cars or less and a caboose.
Ralph

Mik said:
The pony truck stayed on for 40 laps.... I never got a regular 4 wheel bug mauler one to stay on for 1.

As for smooth, it bloody well better… I went through the whole mechanism looking for burrs, spurs, binds and anything else while I had it apart, plus a complete re-lube (new mechanism, remember) with LGB grease and oil.

Now, what’s the max consist for one of these without risking trashing the drive?


Thats why I like my engines without pony trucks. Never have to worry about my Big John porter or Forney jumping. My big hauler was the same way. Would run for a while and then for no reason would jump.