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Boomer's Hubley Build Log: Model TT 1927 School Bus

It has been suggested that some Hubley build logs would be interesting so I am going to post one. Rooster made this suggestion in BD’s sales post and I think he is right. Gawk, ach ooohhhhhh. Awww gick… Oh that was painful. Okay better now…nope owwwhwhwhhwee, gorb, urk… Okay done.

Here is what I am going to build. This 1927 Model TT School Bus. I think I will model it in use with a driver and some kids.

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At the time it was common for such things to be purchased as a rolling frame with the body being manufactured locally. IN rural areas the County maintenance shop might have even done the work. All the better for me as their would be no strict specifications to adhere to.

First I shall need the basics. A Hubley Runabout is the donor for this project. Only the frame, axles and front end will be needed. Not a lot of waste as that is most of the model. The bus pictured is a later model TT as evidenced by the round hood. The Hubley models are all flat paneled hoods.

For support I will keep part of the center frame section. Cut in two pieces this will give me firm attachment for the axles and body.

Off to the land of the razor saw!!!

Since Hubley took care of the complex castings all I really have to make is the bus body. I was able to find pictures of the bus from all four sides.

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Dimensions

Height: 84 in

Width: 67 in

Length: 207 in

So it is all flat panels with just a little arch on the roof. Single door in the rear. Fixed windows in front and tarps for cold weather. Shouldn’t be that hard to build right?..

Dude!

Love the idea and spirit.

You are going to have me wanting to open mine up and go when I get them.  I'll be watching intently to see the tips tricks and general  Boomerisms you have to share.  Great and unusual subject, like it.

 

The motor in the T goes pop pop pop....

Don’t forget the drip pan

Background info: The first school bus. (Courtesy of the “Seeking Alpha” investment website and the Henry Ford Museum.)

If you have ever ridden on a yellow bus to school here is the guy to blame. The origin of the yellow school bus can be traced back to a man named, Albert Luce (1888-1962). Upon returning from World War I, where Luce had served in France, he came back with plans for returning to work in the growing automobile industry. Luce opted not to return to his former California area where he had a distributorship for the Maxwell automobile (forerunner of Chrysler). Instead he moved to a small farming community in central Georgia, where the major source of revenue came from growing and harvesting peaches. It was there where he had obtained a franchise from the Ford Motor Company. This was in 1919.

His franchise was located in Fort Valley, Georgia, where today the population is still less than 10,000 residents. A few years later he obtained his second dealership in nearby Perry, Georgia. In 1925 Luce received an order from a local cement company wanting a vehicle that would allow the transporting of workers to and from job sites. Luce orders a wooden frame from North Carolina, where he bolted it onto a Model T Ford chassis. Almost immediately, Luce recognized the potential of driving such a vehicle over unpaved or poorly paved Georgia roads would render the bus as being unusable before the owner had finished paying for it. With this concern, Luce opted to work with a local blacksmith, there in Perry. The goal was to construct a bus body made primarily of steel that would fit on a steel chassis. The first bus was built in 1927, where it had the steel components complimented with a wood roof and roll-up canvas curtains that served as the ‘windows’. This bus was sold to a school bus driver in nearby Marshallville, Georgia. Luce built his second bus in 1929.

Albert Luce Sr sometime after WWII

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Albert Luce Jr visiting his fathers creation after donating it to the Henry Ford museum.

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Specifications

Make & Model: 1927 Blue Bird school bus

Body maker: Albert L. Luce, Sr., Fort Valley, Georgia

Chassis maker: Ford Motor Company, Highland Park, Michigan (1927 TT truck)

Engine: inline-4, L-head valves, 177 cubic inches

Transmission: 2-speed manual

Height: 102 inches

Wheelbase: 123.5 inches

Width: 66.5 inches

Overall length: 194 inches

Horsepower: 20 at 1600 revolutions per minutes

Weight: 3140 pounds

Pounds per horsepower: 157

Many websites erroneously list the chassis for the bus as a Model T. It is in fact a TT but with single rear wheels.

STOP THE RAZOR SAW Leave that Hubley alone!

You would be better off starting with a Matchbox 1925 Model TT truck in 1:20th scale.
There are 4 different models which were made a few years back. Champion Spark Plugs, Ford Parts Delivery, Coca-Cola and 100 Years Ford Motor Co. They are often advertised as 1:18 the common car scale but are actually 1:20 scale. Prototype wheelbase: 125". Matchbox model wheelbase: 6.25". You do the maths. They have the rounded hood you are after and also have the thicker rear wheel as all Ford TT trucks have.

They are still around on eBay. There is one starting bid for $10 right now!

Uh oh. That looks real nice. I may have to get me one. Just what I needs, a-nutter project!

The yellow ‘Champion Spark Plugs’ and black ‘Ford Spare Parts’ are quite usable as they are but the yellow ‘Coca-Cola’ is not old time signage, more like 60’s for some reason. The white ‘100 years Ford’ one as pictured has contemporary design but with the central graphics changed would make a very nice ice truck.

Paradise thanks for the thought. I have three of the Matchbox TT just not willing to hack one up for this project.

I know I have posted this link before but since we are on the subject.

Guide to 1/20.3 vehicles:

Sorry busted link

Way cool project!!

Nice project Boomer. Is the Matchbox TT more valuable to you than the Hubley T? Just wonderin’ why if you own it, you wouldn’t use the matching hood and radiator from the TT.

Jon

The TTs are going for around $40+ I bought a Hubley model T missing the seats and roof for $5. I am not building the original bus shown just something like it so close is good enough. Hope to get on this project by the end of this week.